Oh will you look at that! A government u-turn!

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AIBU to think this government is now totally dead in the water..?

Wonder what all the Truss handmaidens tying themselves in knots to defend the tax cut will say now..?

@SleeplessInEngland

Christ, we're going all the way back to 1976 with the the whataboutery!

"Whatabout", followed by multiple links, followed by zilch with no attempt at all to actually address the topic actually under debate seems to have become a common tactic here and elsewhere..it clutters the thread up and detracts/deflects from the subject.

I'm not sure whether it is being taught or briefed somewhere or whether it's developed organically amongst the faithful.

FWIW on some less gentle/more robust forums (even some notoriously generally right of centre politically) persistent offenders get warned, sometimes suspended. It's even resulted in really persistent offenders getting lifetime bans from parts of the forum or even sent into eternal exile....

Also worth looking at the origins of the 1976 crisis … hmm, wasn’t due to a Labour Chancellor, was it?

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior Let us not allow this discussion about a Tory government U-turn in 2022 to be derailed into a discussion about 1976. It's a daft enough attempt at whataboutery that it can stand by itself.

More deflection 😴

Still doesn’t make James Callaghan chancellor though - it was Denis Healey.

@BoxcarMilly if something Labour did 46 years ago is the best you can do, your really need your P45 from the bot farm.

@Livelovebehappy
Surely It’s a sign of a good leader to admit a policy they have implemented is wrong, and to scrap it? Far worse to know it’s wrong and continue with it.

Difference is I guess that this isn’t, say, a football manager recognising an error in his team selection and making a sub half way through the first half. This is a government of 65 million people screwing up major macro economic policy during a cost of living crisis, with their fingers in their ears to 99% of economists telling them not to do it.

Truss literally - literally - hasn’t got a clue what she’s doing. If she’s a patriot she would resign today.

So anyway, Kwarteng has now said the champagne reception wasn't the best way to go. That should look good in the other parties election literature next time round. Wonder if he's speaking today? There might be more useful lines.

The 45p tax rate is just the tip of the iceberg of course - Auterity Part 2 is the real goal, and something tory backbenchers have already hinted they won't stand for.

Surely It’s a sign of a good leader to admit a policy they have implemented is wrong, and to scrap it?

They haven't done this.

They've said the policy is right but that it has 'become a distraction'. They don't think it's wrong at all, from what I can tell.

The red wall cohort are certainly going to have to try and thwart it if they want any chance of keeping their seats.

I don't think the u turn will massively damage them, if anything it's bought her some time because everyone was getting ready to explode over the weekend and she's slightly placated them. But on a wider scale she's set herself up as super incompetent and arrogant through those unfolding narrative and I don't think there's a different one to be had more for her.

Whatabout", followed by multiple links

Perhaps this is the way forward for political party manifestos - “Look, we could have sat down and typed out some thoroughly convincing arguments why we deserve your vote but we couldn’t really be arsed and also, more worryingly, we might not have any. So instead here’s fifty pages of internet links from websites etc around the internet. These might persuade you on a few of the many points we couldn’t be arsed to address. Good day”.

Wednesday will be fascinating. Truss is already notoriously bad at speeches but for a newly elected PM to be addressing the supposed faithful under these conditions seems unprecedented.

I’ve been ill and missed the last weeks events. I have been trying to catch up. Can someone explain it all to be like I’m 4?

I saw Liz Truss being interviewed on one of the Sunday breakfast programmes yesterday, didn't watch for long, but honestly her whole tone, look etc... I just switched off.

Deflection from what ? It’s aTory shit fest and you’re making that point by having to dig back 46 years for examples of Labour incompetence !

Shambles.
wonder how the Tory voters who defended this unworkable and immoral policy will vote now? Oh wait..............just the same as we are not over the cliff fully - yet.

I think the red wall know their seats are gone. There’s an awful lot of back benchers with nothing to lose now.

Surely It’s a sign of a good leader to admit a policy they have implemented is wrong, and to scrap it?
They haven't done this.
They've said the policy is right but that it has 'become a distraction'. They don't think it's wrong at all, from what I can tell.

Which again is a sign of poor leadership.

Because even taking the argument for the 45p removal at absolute highest, assuming it's a really sound policy but just misunderstood, we have a parliamentary system. A prime minister can't just do what the fuck they like. They need to command the confidence of Parliament, which in practice means most of their own parliamentary party. A newly elected leader who couldn't command anywhere near majority support from their own MPs simply cannot do things like this.

Labour would never have created this shit show in the first place

Are Labour still going ahead with their £58 billion WASPI women pledge?

WASPI women were described as a 'largely affluent' group in 2019.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-manifesto-waspi-pensions-pledge-policy-58-billion-ifs-warning-366897

What part of how this wanton, idealogically based fuck-up has cost us £65 billion are you struggling to comprehend @Shepandawing ?

It's been all about the 45p tax rate cut but that's a tiny amount in comparison. The other tax cuts will still cost over 40 billion.There will still have to be lots of spending cuts to come to pay for these. Nevermind the 65 billion the bank of England have had to borrow.

Haha ‘haunted pencil’
I like ‘fly-tipped sofa’ better though….
Hope she comes up with a good one for Truss. Maybe ‘constipated groundhog’?

I was just this minute wondering when you'd pop up, do you start at 10 but called in early?

Not in Govt in 2019, its irrelevant, as it had no market effect, unlike Truss who has cost million of families more on mortgages and rents as BTL 's seek to make good cost rises, so more UC payments too.

Incredible you seek to minimise Tory incompetence.

Billions and billions. Can we still refer to the failed track & trace, PPE contracts etc?