Oh will you look at that! A government u-turn!

[tenbob]

AIBU to think this government is now totally dead in the water..?

Wonder what all the Truss handmaidens tying themselves in knots to defend the tax cut will say now..?

Let. Her . Be . Clear .. the conservatives are in track to do nasty things to people
I liked her trailered though

Trainers !
Been a long day

Of course.

I do think they'll keep a few, a couple had a 10k plus majority and 2019 was the outcome of a trend that had been building up a while. But most will go, particularly if significant attempts at further cuts are made.

The look on a few faces losing their seats might be worth my while sitting up in election night in a few years time or wherever.

Jesus, Clav, things really are getting bad, aren’t they? Did you actually read any of those apart from the dates?

@Blossomtoes and of course I have nothing against people quoting dates. What I do object to is people saying things like 'well, Labour had these policies in 2019, therefore the Tories are great and we must all vote for them'. Clav thinks we are all that stupid.

Clav thinks we are all that stupid

No she doesn’t. She’s just run out of road - or positive stuff to copy and paste.

There was never a lot of positive stuff to post about the Tories, except in some people's heads.

Under the current rules, since the membership get the final sway, they are most likely to go for another lunatic.

Suella Braverman, who is working the membership quite nicely.

The Conservative Party do have decide who they want to vote for them. At the moment, they are just playing to an extreme that will see them lose badly.

Well, the membership only get a say if there's more than one candidate emerging from the parliamentary party. They could do what they did in 2017 and 2003 again, and present the wider party with a fait accompli. Whether they have the sense to do so is a separate point.

They are gelded by nuttiness; I remember seeing Boris Johnson in the Commons, where it was clear he would have to go, and he had clearly told his MPs at different stages that he would fund their areas, policies for them etc. And they asked him about this directly in the debates, you realised that the Party's discipline was shot, and they no longer acted together.

pointythings
of course I have nothing against people quoting dates. What I do object to is people saying things like 'well, Labour had these policies in 2019, therefore the Tories are great and we must all vote for them'. Clav thinks we are all that stupid.

What did you expect in answer to "Labour would never have [done this] ..."

Do you want these threads to be an echo chamber?

Blossomtoes
Did you actually read any of those apart from the dates?

Yes - of course, but several hours before my c&p.

borntobequiet
I’m upset that my post about the great U turn of 1660 didn’t get a mention.

Ha, ha.
Don't worry, it was probably recorded in Samuel Pepys' Diary.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · Yesterday 07:40
TBH I’d rather have A leader who did U-turns on bad decisions rather than carry on through with them to save face. I mean did people want the u-turn or not? If the answer is yes then what are you moaning for.

Surely the point is to have a govt that doesn't make bad decisions in the first place. We shouldn't be praising them for making a U-turn when they shouldn't have made such a big blunder to begin with

This.
wish we could call for an early election… don’t think we can survive till may 2024 with these current numpties

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/619781

@Clavinova I agree that 'Labour would never have done x, y and z' is in general not helpful. However, if anyone thinks that the Labour party as it is now would have come up with a mini budget like Kwasi Kwarteng's. they should probably not be allowed to vote.

Beyond that we do not know what Labour would and would not have done, but it would probably be more helpful to your cause if you attacked the Labour party on what they are currently saying and then see what response you got. If you want to be taken seriously, that is. We do all know you are a big fan of the Tories.

wish we could call for an early election… don’t think we can survive till may 2024 with these current numpties

TBF Truss is clearly not going to last that long. Not that Mordaunt or Sunak are attractive prospects either, of course.

It's horrific to reflect on where we would be if Braverman had become PM. She has said that she wouldn't have done the U turn, so at this moment our economy would be plunging yet further down the pan, whilst she takes us right out of the ECHR and has orgasms forcing refugees onto that flight to Rwanda that she says she dreams about.

@Clavinova We don't want another echo chamber, so stop trying to make it one, with your absurd c&p's and taking each and every sentence out of context and comparing them to to Labours 2019, which is now completely out of date.

On Starmer, as the Tories have shown, changing ones mind is all perfectly ok but at least Corbyn tried to carry the LPP with him, instead of surrounding himself with loyalists, something recent PMs have done with questionable results.

Do you ever worry about how you spend your time, @Clavinova? The time you spent painstakingly going through every post on the thread and cutting and pasting that lot could surely have been better spent on, well, anything.

A job's a job. We all have bills to pay!

Truss' plan seems to now be go full BeLeaver, with all the buzzwords and attacks on, well pretty much everyone. From the FT:

Liz Truss will urge Tories to unite against ‘anti-growth coalition’

‘I will not allow anti-growth coalition to hold us back. Labour, Lib Dems & SNP, militant unions, vested interests dressed up as think tanks, the talking heads, the Brexit deniers and Extinction Rebellion’

Charitaby, her strategy seems to be positing herself as pro-growth and Labour as anti-growth, but I don't think even a 5 year old would believe Labour are anti-growth, so... shrugs.

*Charitably

She has been in the tory Govt since 2012?

Bit awkward to explain away 10 years of low growth under her leadership of various departments.