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To think Liz Truss just threw KK under the bus?!

199 replies

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 09:54

Laura Kuenssberg: Did you discuss the top rate 45% tax cut with the whole cabinet?

Truss: No. It's a decision the Chancellor made.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63074338

An Oxford professor has started a petition asking if Can Truss and Kwarteng be prosecuted for Misconduct in Public Office. Now we know that Truss will seek to shift blame onto KK.

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AutumnCrow · 02/10/2022 14:16

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 11:53

Truss has form for adultery. Or, maybe it’s an open relationship that her husband is ok with?

Is it our business?!

Is it our business?

Yes, I think it is, when they're holding two of the great offices of state, and it puts them both in compromising positions.

Imagine thinking that, say, you can't get rid of an incompetent or dishonest chancellor because he or she knew where all the flesh was buried, or had been buried. Kompromat on cocaine, that place.

Goldpaw · 02/10/2022 14:16

RedAppleGirl · 02/10/2022 12:57

I feel democracy is broken. Social media got rid of Boris, now they don't like Truss. Politics always had a touch of the circus about it, but we cannot have a country run on the whims of sections of the public via social media.
It is chaotic at the moment.

Democracy was broken long before social media came along. Blair got his last term in government on 35% of the vote, the 2019 election was won by Johnson on 43%. Winner takes all is not democratic.

Goldpaw · 02/10/2022 14:18

RedAppleGirl · 02/10/2022 14:13

Truss has been at the helm for 2 weeks. Now the knives are out already.
When do we stop and leave the government to run the country without interference and vigilante mobs on social media?

Post-pandemic the financial markets are reassessing the value of all assets, and Credit Suisse and Deutsche bank are in big deep trouble, this will be contagious. Government liabilities are being assessed. Russia looks like it's gearing up for nuclear war.
The world is in turmoil right now, and people cannot see the bigger picture. Benefits and taxes will be the least of our problems if the post-pandemic fallout continues on this tempestuous path.

Where is her democratic mandate in this great democracy you speak of that exists if only social media didn't interfere?

Croque · 02/10/2022 14:18

There is no doubt among analysts that the mini budget (not global factors) have specifically caused the events witnessed in the UK over last few days. No doubt whatsoever. Global issues are not to blame here.

Goldpaw · 02/10/2022 14:19

KenAdams · 02/10/2022 12:49

Lol at everyone claiming they heard things from a trusted source and not Twitter:

twitter.com/wilbur_munch/status/1289870129950425088?s=20&t=LlQpthx1Oo1zkh2qHvnpgg

Interesting reading, that post.

Ah, there's that list!

Pineappleflowers · 02/10/2022 14:23

Isaidnoalready · 02/10/2022 10:02

Because she is cannon fodder they know they are not popular they need to get there again so they bought her in to make unpopular policy then switch her for someone else who will make softer unpopular policies but who will look like a pussycat compared to her and boom they will boost themselves up again because they will always be compared to the previous PM so soon it would be could be worse could still have truss as PM

This.

Truss is the fall guy and she hasn’t even noticed.

Tories don’t elect female leaders except when there’s dirty work to be done.

basilmint · 02/10/2022 14:25

Gove looking much more like someone capable of holding a serious position. He is good

Gove is one of the most intelligent and savvy of the current bunch of politicians. He knows nobody likes him so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had managed to mastermind a grand plan for the most useless incompetent person to become leader of the party so finally he doesn't look so bad in comparison and will finally get his opportunity to step in as leader.

However, as Education Secretary he decimated the sector for a generation or more of students with his dire changes to the curriculum, public disdain for teachers and creating an environment that is toxic to work in, directly contributing to the current recruitment and retention crisis.

I hope people don't forget that.

AutumnCrow · 02/10/2022 14:29

Didn't Gove say something mental like he wanted all schools to be above average?

RedAppleGirl · 02/10/2022 14:39

Goldpaw · 02/10/2022 14:16

Democracy was broken long before social media came along. Blair got his last term in government on 35% of the vote, the 2019 election was won by Johnson on 43%. Winner takes all is not democratic.

Democracy as a concept is the best attempt at being all things for all people.
However, democracy is paradoxical by its very nature.
The global markets are stress-testing their own financial instruments and the value of currencies around the world. Pensions it seems have been derivatized, and we know tranches of CDS were responsible for junking the economy previously.

The pandemic has revealed serious issues in our financial markets, and government actions in the face of ever-increasing pressures. Twitter chatter and incessant undermining of authority by populist pressure groups based on social media aren't helping.

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/10/2022 14:40

Croque · 02/10/2022 14:18

There is no doubt among analysts that the mini budget (not global factors) have specifically caused the events witnessed in the UK over last few days. No doubt whatsoever. Global issues are not to blame here.

Nothing is ever this Tory government's fault.🙄 Look at all the bullshit going around that SM got rid of PM Johnson, it didn't. He didn't even go because of the very justified public anger around Partygate. He didn't go because he lied to the Queen.

He was ousted by Tory MPs after the Arse Pincher scandal. Cabinet and backbenchers resigned their posts (not their seats). The mass resignation of his own MPs is why PM Johnson went. This only happened a few months ago, but it's already been forgottenHmm and replaced with a lie.

IrisVersicolor · 02/10/2022 14:41

RedAppleGirl · 02/10/2022 14:39

Democracy as a concept is the best attempt at being all things for all people.
However, democracy is paradoxical by its very nature.
The global markets are stress-testing their own financial instruments and the value of currencies around the world. Pensions it seems have been derivatized, and we know tranches of CDS were responsible for junking the economy previously.

The pandemic has revealed serious issues in our financial markets, and government actions in the face of ever-increasing pressures. Twitter chatter and incessant undermining of authority by populist pressure groups based on social media aren't helping.

The governments are undermining themselves by electing unreliable twits and following delusional policies.

the80sweregreat · 02/10/2022 14:42

54 people resigned last June triggering a resignation and a leadership battle in the Conservative party.
Not really anything to do with Twitter or Facebook

IrisVersicolor · 02/10/2022 14:47

IrisVersicolor · 02/10/2022 14:41

The governments are undermining themselves by electing unreliable twits and following delusional policies.

Although to be fair Truss is the fault of the Tory party members not Tory MPs.

SheilaSazs · 02/10/2022 14:50

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 02/10/2022 13:05

The Tory party are a nest of vipers with no loyalty or honour to anyone or anything. I really don't know how anyone could vote for them. Regardless of your political views you just can't trust them on anything.
Look how they have just betrayed homeowners (supposedly their core base!).

But @TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum there are more homeowners without mortgages than with them and the Tories continue to attract a huge mount of votes from the, mostly elderly, voters who own their homes outright. They have their triple lock and are largely unaffected by affected by changes of mortgage interest rates or tax rates, they benefit from higher savings rates.

So not all homeowners will feel the same.

Deffo a nest of vipers though 😉

Croque · 02/10/2022 14:53

Interfering with the triple lock would really shake things up but they never will...or will they? 😕

Notonthestairs · 02/10/2022 14:55

I think Truss has confirmed that they won't touch the triple lock.

the80sweregreat · 02/10/2022 14:56

Liz Truss today on bbc one said the triple lock on state pensions is staying.

Croque · 02/10/2022 14:59

I heard her but what if things deteriorate to the extent that it starts looking feasible?

the80sweregreat · 02/10/2022 15:05

She did hesitate before confirming the triple lock would stay.

It was a bit of a car crash interview though
Laura K wasn't that tough and Liz Truss just blamed Putin and covid and her new chancellor She air brushed the extra borrowing too , just going on about the fuel payments and extra help for people : which was all signed off by Rishi sunak a while ago anyway. They did have to give the energy companies a lot of money too , but we all knew about this.
Laura K gave Rachel Reeves a harder time of it
( the shadow chancellor)

Peregrina · 02/10/2022 15:34

When do we stop and leave the government to run the country without interference and vigilante mobs on social media?

When she starts to do the job for which she was elected and not behave as though she is a banana republic dictator.

Unforgettablefire · 02/10/2022 15:35

Anyone reckon this is another nail in the coffin for the tories? Please god!

MarshaMelrose · 02/10/2022 15:40

Yes, I think it is, when they're holding two of the great offices of state, and it puts them both in compromising positions.

I know LT had an affair with Mark Fields. How does anyone know that she had an affair with KK? Because of unsubstantiated twitter claims?

FlorettaB · 02/10/2022 15:45

I only care about them fucking the economy.

the80sweregreat · 02/10/2022 15:48

I now think of Ms Truss as the apprentice.
It's just a shame that she has the potential to take the country down with her because she clearly hasn't a clue and let her own chancellor do whatever he likes as well.
Whenever people bring up Gordon Brown selling off the gold reserves , maybe people should remind them about the lost 65 billion they was pumped into the economy to prop up the pensions and we don't know how long that may last either.
I just hope she gets a grip sooner rather than later and can sort it out fast and start taking in some advice from people who do know the score.

BruceAndNosh · 02/10/2022 15:50

@FluffySocksAndHotChocolate But we all know Truss is behind it, those two have been thick as thieves.

Edited that for accuracy

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