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To think Liz Truss just threw KK under the bus?!

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WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 09:54

Laura Kuenssberg: Did you discuss the top rate 45% tax cut with the whole cabinet?

Truss: No. It's a decision the Chancellor made.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63074338

An Oxford professor has started a petition asking if Can Truss and Kwarteng be prosecuted for Misconduct in Public Office. Now we know that Truss will seek to shift blame onto KK.

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IrisVersicolor · 02/10/2022 10:46

So the question is leadership or general election?

rose69 · 02/10/2022 10:49

So she didn't discuss with The Chancellor what he was going g to announce? Either a lie or incompetence.

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 10:52

IrisVersicolor · 02/10/2022 10:46

So the question is leadership or general election?

Neither.

Read the OP.

Just that I think Truss threw KK under the bus in a very blatant and public way.

Question now is: what does this mean? Trouble in paradise?

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Hmmph · 02/10/2022 10:52

"It was all his idea, Miss"

I never, never thought I would reach the point of agreeing with Michael Gove. Things have got that bad.

I also can't wait for their conference. Just off to check the programme...

balalake · 02/10/2022 10:53

This is the answer I would have expected from Liz Truss.

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 10:54

rose69 · 02/10/2022 10:49

So she didn't discuss with The Chancellor what he was going g to announce? Either a lie or incompetence.

Exactly, she doesn’t look good out of this.

Especially as she is standing by him and plans he made… that are subject to scrutiny beached of his celebrations with bankers and hedge fund managers who were about to make a fortune out of his decisions.

Dodgy.

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WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 10:56

^because

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ancientgran · 02/10/2022 11:00

We have gone from Johnson who answered everything with "vacinations vacinations vacinations" to Truss with "fuel bills fuel bills fuel bills." How thick is she if she can't understand that the risk in interest rates is going to cost an awful lot of people more than the fuel subsidy is going to save them. As time goes on more and more people will be facing disaster as their mortgage deals come to an end. We will be going from a choice between heat and eat to a choice between heat or eat or a roof over your head.

I feel so sorry for what lots of people are facing. To be clear not thinking of myself, no mortgage and no debts but I realise this is going to be disaster for so many.

IrisVersicolor · 02/10/2022 11:04

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 10:52

Neither.

Read the OP.

Just that I think Truss threw KK under the bus in a very blatant and public way.

Question now is: what does this mean? Trouble in paradise?

Already answered your question: it means either another leadership election or a general election.

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 11:10

IrisVersicolor · 02/10/2022 11:04

Already answered your question: it means either another leadership election or a general election.

Oh. I see what you mean.

There is a 3rd option. Truss needs to take a lesson in eating humble pie.

If she didn’t authorise the tax cuts for the richest in society then she has has grounds to not stand by them, especially if it looks like KK was involved in any insider trading deals.

Truss does keep going on about the pie. How about eating some of the humble pie?!

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Sophie1980 · 02/10/2022 11:11

Gove looking much more like someone capable of holding a serious position. He is good,
Word is getting out that people who disagree with Truss are not going to Birmingham at all. Or are going to the speeches and meetings but not staying around to socialise.
They don't want to be bullied by the Whips. They want to save their ammunition for Parliament.

cakeorwine · 02/10/2022 11:15

Look, let me be clear
Hold left hand out to indicate I am talking
I understand the pain people are going through
I don't believe the premise of your question
I don't care about the optics

But Kwasi Karteng did it.

titchy · 02/10/2022 11:25

Is it bad that I keep asking myself just exactly what is wrong with Michael Gove? And thinking well he wasn't too bad was he? 😱

At least he's got gravitas. Not quite Ken Clarke type of heavyweight, but an improvement on the lightweight fluffy politicians we seem to have had for donkeys years.

BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 02/10/2022 11:25

cakeorwine · 02/10/2022 11:15

Look, let me be clear
Hold left hand out to indicate I am talking
I understand the pain people are going through
I don't believe the premise of your question
I don't care about the optics

But Kwasi Karteng did it.

You missed out "as Prime Minister".

Abhannmor · 02/10/2022 11:28

Gove made a bit of sense. Perhaps he has detoxed. Still a lightweight spoofer .

DodoApplet · 02/10/2022 11:33

Croque · 02/10/2022 10:32

It will probably be attributed to communications mismanagement.

This. No politician will ever admit that his/her policies are (or could ever be) misguided, because that would be tantamount to an acknowledgement of their own fallibility - and they can't allow that to happen. The closest you'll ever get is a grudging acceptance (usually after a crushing election defeat) that they might just possibly have failed to communicate them effectively, thereby implicitly shifting the blame from their failure to make them work to your lack of understanding of them.

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 11:35

DodoApplet · 02/10/2022 11:33

This. No politician will ever admit that his/her policies are (or could ever be) misguided, because that would be tantamount to an acknowledgement of their own fallibility - and they can't allow that to happen. The closest you'll ever get is a grudging acceptance (usually after a crushing election defeat) that they might just possibly have failed to communicate them effectively, thereby implicitly shifting the blame from their failure to make them work to your lack of understanding of them.

Truss “We should have laid the groundwork better on tax cuts”

We?! But I thought the tax cuts for the wealthiest in society were all KK’s doing?

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AnyRandomName · 02/10/2022 11:37

FluffySocksAndHotChocolate · 02/10/2022 09:56

But we all know Truss is behind it, those two have been thick as thieves.

From what I hear, from a trusted source, very close to each other indeed...

Novum · 02/10/2022 11:37

She flagged up during her leadership campaign that this was going to be her policy, and looked totally boot faced when Sunak pointed out the inevitable consequences (which have, of course, happened). She really can't get away with saying it was nothing to do with her.

cakeorwine · 02/10/2022 11:40

Novum · 02/10/2022 11:37

She flagged up during her leadership campaign that this was going to be her policy, and looked totally boot faced when Sunak pointed out the inevitable consequences (which have, of course, happened). She really can't get away with saying it was nothing to do with her.

That clip should have been played to her this morning.

What he said happened. And she dismissed him

Croque · 02/10/2022 11:41

AnyRandomName · 02/10/2022 11:37

From what I hear, from a trusted source, very close to each other indeed...

I've heard that too.... off and on.

FlorettaB · 02/10/2022 11:47

If the PM tries to blame KK she’s saying that she’s an incompetent PM who isn’t in control of her own economic policy.

Croque · 02/10/2022 11:48

But is it a tiff or will she send the University Challenge boffin off with his P45 and spin that his obsession with trickle down owed to his bookishness and geekiness and inability to see that it was unworkable in the real economy.

IrisVersicolor · 02/10/2022 11:49

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 11:10

Oh. I see what you mean.

There is a 3rd option. Truss needs to take a lesson in eating humble pie.

If she didn’t authorise the tax cuts for the richest in society then she has has grounds to not stand by them, especially if it looks like KK was involved in any insider trading deals.

Truss does keep going on about the pie. How about eating some of the humble pie?!

She did authorise tax cuts, maybe not the 45% (I’m doubtful) but all the rest - she’s been banging on about them for 10 years. Call them the IEA group or the new radicals whatever. Except to be fair - the IEA itself didn’t advocate borrowing for growth. She’s sewn to KK’s coat tails so if she throws him under, she goes down with him.

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 11:51

Novum · 02/10/2022 11:37

She flagged up during her leadership campaign that this was going to be her policy, and looked totally boot faced when Sunak pointed out the inevitable consequences (which have, of course, happened). She really can't get away with saying it was nothing to do with her.

Thank you.

A skilled interviewer would have reminded her. Also a subtle hint she’s replaceable by a better economist!

Well, Liz, Sunak did tell you so.

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