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To think Liz Truss just threw KK under the bus?!

199 replies

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 09:54

Laura Kuenssberg: Did you discuss the top rate 45% tax cut with the whole cabinet?

Truss: No. It's a decision the Chancellor made.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63074338

An Oxford professor has started a petition asking if Can Truss and Kwarteng be prosecuted for Misconduct in Public Office. Now we know that Truss will seek to shift blame onto KK.

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HeddaGarbled · 02/10/2022 12:57

Sunak explaining why he’s not going to conference: to “give Truss all the space she needs to own the moment”. 🔪

AuntSalli · 02/10/2022 12:58

HeddaGarbled · 02/10/2022 12:57

Sunak explaining why he’s not going to conference: to “give Truss all the space she needs to own the moment”. 🔪

Giving her enough rope more like

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 12:59

Tha · 02/10/2022 12:53

Can we all take a moment to appreciate how beautifully this aged Grin it was her plan!!! And he told her what would happen. She called it Project Fear.

Thanks. Hadn’t seen that before.

Rishi Sunak comes across as very impressive. Not surprising that he’s staying away from the conference.

I also think he’ll lead the rebellion to vote down her tax cut policies. His language is the same as Gove’s - her unfunded tax cuts are “not Conservative”.

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waffless · 02/10/2022 13:03

How can she has an affair with that creep? Cringe. He looks mad to say the least. And yes SM got ride of Boris. Sm is the devil.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 02/10/2022 13:05

The Tory party are a nest of vipers with no loyalty or honour to anyone or anything. I really don't know how anyone could vote for them. Regardless of your political views you just can't trust them on anything.
Look how they have just betrayed homeowners (supposedly their core base!).

AuntSalli · 02/10/2022 13:08

waffless · 02/10/2022 13:03

How can she has an affair with that creep? Cringe. He looks mad to say the least. And yes SM got ride of Boris. Sm is the devil.

Oh well if social media can get rid of Boris it can get rid of Liz, works both ways

Croque · 02/10/2022 13:11

Workplace affairs don't matter if you are always in agreement with one another on policy. However, asserting that 'he does what he likes, I don't interfere or ask' is bloody reckless and sounds more like a FWB boundary rather than a PM-chancellor one. Of course, I have not seen Hancock style evidence to back up the rumour but the language is very telling. If she cannot have one boundary for her personal life and another for her political relationship with the same person then we are all in trouble due to her folly.

the80sweregreat · 02/10/2022 13:14

Rishi Sunak isn't going to Birmingham this week because ( I rather hope) he is plotting his next move to have her gone !
I'd rather have him there than her and I've never voted conservative.

MrsFezziwig · 02/10/2022 13:17

So, petitions is the next best thing. This one about misconduct in public office is at least bringing Truss and KK to account in the law. Surely that’s a good thing, no?!

The point of a petition is not to find out the facts of a situation. You find out the facts and then go forward with the petition if appropriate. If this petition was really started by an Oxford professor he ought to know better.

WakeUpAndBe · 02/10/2022 13:24

MrsFezziwig · 02/10/2022 13:17

So, petitions is the next best thing. This one about misconduct in public office is at least bringing Truss and KK to account in the law. Surely that’s a good thing, no?!

The point of a petition is not to find out the facts of a situation. You find out the facts and then go forward with the petition if appropriate. If this petition was really started by an Oxford professor he ought to know better.

The petition seeks legal advice… I suspect that would include an investigation.

The police can’t get involved because misconduct in public office is apparent a civil matter.

LibDems have made a request for the insider trading claims to be investigated. Now that is a criminal offence. But I suspect they will claim there’s not enough evidence…

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TooBigForMyBoots · 02/10/2022 13:32

RedAppleGirl · 02/10/2022 12:57

I feel democracy is broken. Social media got rid of Boris, now they don't like Truss. Politics always had a touch of the circus about it, but we cannot have a country run on the whims of sections of the public via social media.
It is chaotic at the moment.

SM did jot get rid of PM Johnson. The Conservative Party did following the Pincher scandal. Somebody's lied to you @RedAppleGirl. Please do not repeat these lies on here.

Changechangychange · 02/10/2022 13:32

RedAppleGirl · 02/10/2022 12:57

I feel democracy is broken. Social media got rid of Boris, now they don't like Truss. Politics always had a touch of the circus about it, but we cannot have a country run on the whims of sections of the public via social media.
It is chaotic at the moment.

It’s not “social media” - both PMs have taken actions that are fundamentally repugnant to their MPs and their electorate, and they are being forced out.

Nobody forced Boris to go to parties, hand out PPE contracts to his mates, try to rescue an MP found to have taken bribes, or to defend a serial sexual assaulter.

Nobody has forced Liz Truss to bring in tax cuts the fucking IMF thinks are ill-advised (the IMF is not known for its socialism).

Unless you think PMs shouldn’t be answerable to their MPs or voters under any circumstances, in which case let’s just install a dictatorship and have done with it. Why bother with a parliamentary system at all if PMs can override it?

Changechangychange · 02/10/2022 13:35

RedAppleGirl · 02/10/2022 12:57

I feel democracy is broken. Social media got rid of Boris, now they don't like Truss. Politics always had a touch of the circus about it, but we cannot have a country run on the whims of sections of the public via social media.
It is chaotic at the moment.

It’s not “social media” - both PMs have taken actions that are fundamentally repugnant to their MPs and their electorate, and they are being forced out.

Nobody forced Boris to go to parties, hand out PPE contracts to his mates, try to rescue an MP found to have taken bribes, or to defend a serial sexual assaulter.

Nobody has forced Liz Truss to bring in tax cuts the fucking IMF thinks are ill-advised (the IMF is not known for its socialism).

Unless you think PMs shouldn’t be answerable to their MPs or voters under any circumstances, in which case let’s just install a dictatorship and have done with it. Why bother with a parliamentary system at all if PMs can override it?

Changechangychange · 02/10/2022 13:36

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Changechangychange · 02/10/2022 13:36

Apologies for duplicate post!

waffless · 02/10/2022 13:38

Oh well if social media can get rid of Boris it can get rid of Liz, works both ways

Of course. That is what governments and democracy are at the moment.

waffless · 02/10/2022 13:40

Sorry I meant where not what.

waffless · 02/10/2022 13:43

It would be interesting to see how much Labour will be held accountable in SM. Sadiq Khan is immune it seems.

WGSW · 02/10/2022 13:49

I'm not sure whether to laugh or be aghast that someone genuinely thinks that the UK's current inflation problem is being caused solely by people who were furloughed during covid.

The energy crisis - and associated price rises and their impact on inflation - has clearly passed this individual by.

Changechangychange · 02/10/2022 13:52

WGSW · 02/10/2022 13:49

I'm not sure whether to laugh or be aghast that someone genuinely thinks that the UK's current inflation problem is being caused solely by people who were furloughed during covid.

The energy crisis - and associated price rises and their impact on inflation - has clearly passed this individual by.

Covid deniers aren’t known for their critical thinking skills.

the80sweregreat · 02/10/2022 14:04

Some good posts on here.
Dh is a conservative voter and he always blames the SM. We agree to disagree on politics, but it's so hard when he believes that they are doing a good job etc. I know he isn't the only one, but just seeing the actions of the last few weeks , how anyone can condone such reckless behavior is beyond me
Rishi sunak is on tv explaining this catastrophe would happen clearly and plainly , yet around 160,000 people voted for Ms Truss and now this is the consequence. Did the tory voters not listen to the hustings on tv?

the80sweregreat · 02/10/2022 14:07

Furlough was a lot of money , granted.
So was giving Dido Harding billions for test and trace and the PPE contracts that were a dud
Eat out to help out too , all conservative measures over two years , but no , let's just blame furlough payments which 3 million people were not entitled to either!

AnyRandomName · 02/10/2022 14:07

@KenAdams

In my case it really was a trusted source Grin and not Twitter. He was absolutely certain.

Goldpaw · 02/10/2022 14:09

Croque · 02/10/2022 11:41

I've heard that too.... off and on.

Wasn't their shagging in one of those leaked documents listing all the nefarious doings of Tory MPs?

RedAppleGirl · 02/10/2022 14:13

Changechangychange · 02/10/2022 13:35

It’s not “social media” - both PMs have taken actions that are fundamentally repugnant to their MPs and their electorate, and they are being forced out.

Nobody forced Boris to go to parties, hand out PPE contracts to his mates, try to rescue an MP found to have taken bribes, or to defend a serial sexual assaulter.

Nobody has forced Liz Truss to bring in tax cuts the fucking IMF thinks are ill-advised (the IMF is not known for its socialism).

Unless you think PMs shouldn’t be answerable to their MPs or voters under any circumstances, in which case let’s just install a dictatorship and have done with it. Why bother with a parliamentary system at all if PMs can override it?

Truss has been at the helm for 2 weeks. Now the knives are out already.
When do we stop and leave the government to run the country without interference and vigilante mobs on social media?

Post-pandemic the financial markets are reassessing the value of all assets, and Credit Suisse and Deutsche bank are in big deep trouble, this will be contagious. Government liabilities are being assessed. Russia looks like it's gearing up for nuclear war.
The world is in turmoil right now, and people cannot see the bigger picture. Benefits and taxes will be the least of our problems if the post-pandemic fallout continues on this tempestuous path.

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