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To all those wondering why police aren't investigating crime

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stillvicarinatutu · 30/09/2022 13:35

Prompted by a discussion on here.

I'm a police officer and today we received an email from out chief constable to say that only 17% of incidents police in our force attend are for crime .

The other 83% are non crime related - mainly mental health issues. Police forces are now taking on the work of other agencies which means that they are not dealing with crime .

Partner agencies are so stretched the fall out is now being dealt with by police because we don't shut shop, don't only work 9-5 , and cannot say no .

I read and see regularly that police are criticised for not dealing with crime .

Well - this is why . Because we are picking up the slack from mental health, social services and medical incidents.

I think it's time for people to decide what they want from their police . If we weren't dealing with the 83 % of incidents that are not crime related then perhaps we could spend more time on the 17% that are . ?
I don't think people realise that this is happening to this extent .

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Psychonabike · 30/09/2022 20:27

@Graphista

"@Psychonabike are you genuinely trying to say you don't class addiction as a health issue and a Mh one at that? I find that shockingly prejudicial from someone claiming to work in Mh - but I'm also not entirely surprised given my experience with Mh staff too - and I'm not an addict but I've been bluntly blamed for my own Mental illness by so called experts"

Nope I'm not saying that, not even close. I don't think I actually referred to addiction at all.

First -the acute incidents that the police respond to and bring to psych hospitals for assessment are usually related to behaviour in the context of acute intoxication and that's what I was referring to. Yes, there'll be some overlap with addiction but addiction isn't the reason for presentation in that moment.

Second- addiction is a health issue of course, but it isn't one for the acute psych services that the police bring people too. It's a separate service in almost all parts of the UK.

Where addiction is the underlying reason for behaviour that brings someone to the attention of the police, there are less acute routes to support and treatment. Addiction, by definition, is chronic. So there are usually other more acute reasons for someone being picked up, detained and brought for emergency psych assessment.

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Diverseopinions · 30/09/2022 20:29

I guess that if you can't get a stolen car back because it will be out of the country in a jiffy, then it isn't really feasible to spend a lot of time taking statements because someone's range rover has gone missing.

For me more education about Faraday pouches and the most effective security measures will be most helpful. In my area, many expensive cars are stolen. Even with CCTV footage, there is little chance of catching the criminal, so I think those metal posts which pop up on the driveway so you can't drive the vehicle away, are a sound idea. Robbers only steal cars round out way. I don't think breaking into a home to get the TV is a vogue anymore - unless the person targeted is extremely wealthy and used to keep their valuables about their person.

The police are exceptionally well and broadly trained to understand human issues and mental health problems and social problems. They are great at talking people down. They are great at multi-agency liaising. They sit on safeguarding panels. They have the skills to cope with life and death situations, so we should be grateful they do. As one poster said, social workers don't work after 5pm. GPs are invisible. Everything is done over the phone at many practices. They deal with social problems because they are 24 hour service. Hospital security guards are very good too, and acquire a lot of relevant and useful understanding. They work 24 hours and are good at keeping vulnerable people safe.

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NameChangeNameChangeNameChangeName · 30/09/2022 20:49

"The issue with those jobs is there are only 2 people there - and if they not admit sex took place , but one says it wasn't consensual and the other says it was - how do we prove it ? That's why the cos have very low numbers running with rapes . Because that will be the next thing that gets shouted about . So thought I'd preempt it . It would be nice stay loosely on topic ."

You are part of the problem. What a fucking disgusting post. In addition to the minimising of sexism racism and homophobia Hmm It's very very telling that you say you've never seen anyone you've worked with ever say anything racist/homophobic/sexist. Literally unbelievable. I would bet good money this is what you are dismissing as "Good natured humour and banter". Like your hand waving dismissal of women "shouting about rapes" and not staying on topic. Right.

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stillvicarinatutu · 30/09/2022 23:24

NameChangeNameChangeNameChangeName · 30/09/2022 20:49

"The issue with those jobs is there are only 2 people there - and if they not admit sex took place , but one says it wasn't consensual and the other says it was - how do we prove it ? That's why the cos have very low numbers running with rapes . Because that will be the next thing that gets shouted about . So thought I'd preempt it . It would be nice stay loosely on topic ."

You are part of the problem. What a fucking disgusting post. In addition to the minimising of sexism racism and homophobia Hmm It's very very telling that you say you've never seen anyone you've worked with ever say anything racist/homophobic/sexist. Literally unbelievable. I would bet good money this is what you are dismissing as "Good natured humour and banter". Like your hand waving dismissal of women "shouting about rapes" and not staying on topic. Right.

Look . I'm just being truthful. I was raped at 13 . I have absolute empathy with any victim - but I can't change how this is prosecuted.

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stillvicarinatutu · 01/10/2022 01:17

And this is irrelevant but I'll tell you anyway. As well as the rape I was in care by 11 because of domestic abuse at home . That really helps me in the job - I'm absolutely best placed to help because I've been there .
It doesn't change the facts on how things are prosecuted. I'm detached enough to stay professional and remember enough to be an advocate for victims .
But I accept you don't know me - you are entitled to your opinion of me . It actually no longer hurts me . I go to work to my the best I can and I've had some fantastic results for victims of sexual abuse , child abide and some abuse .

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stillvicarinatutu · 01/10/2022 01:18
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    Abuse , child abuse and domestic abuse
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entropynow · 01/10/2022 01:22

worriedatthistime · 30/09/2022 14:17

Yes surprising that so many social workers still are 9-5 and not more evening and weekend cover
More money needs to go into mental health services or be used to provide specialist poilce services

9-5? Ahahahahaha.
50 hour fucking weeks and answering emails at 6.30 on a Saturday morning thank you, and that's just older people's services Also almost all LAs have out of hours teams and mental health crisis cover. It's just not enough to deal with the tide, is all

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PureBlackVoid · 01/10/2022 01:35

stillvicarinatutu · 30/09/2022 14:44

Pure black void

They will all get attended - every incident created is attended but the police should be dealing more with crime than the other 83% that is not crime related. That's my point .
When you get burgled and wait 4 days for a police officer to turn up it's because the time and resources are being used elsewhere first - your burglary can wait if someone is hanging off a bridge or slashing their wrists - protecting life and limb comes first . But a lot of those cases should be taken over my the correct resources and aren't - so we're then stuck dealing with non criminal matters while you're drumming your fingers wondering why we haven't got to your burglary yet .

This implies that 100% of crimes are attended to, when we know that’s not the case (unless maybe where you work it is?)

A pp has mentioned ‘non priority calls can wait’ - what are non priority calls?

I have many examples of crimes not attended to, but the most recent one is my neice being assaulted by a bouncer. He dragged her out to a side street, smacked her head against some metal railings along the way, and left her there only when people from a back alley bar came running up, presumably hearing her screaming. Who knows what he was intending on doing if those people didn’t turn up, but she still ended up in a&e after passing out, with a concussion and a black and blue face. The police did not even attend to take a statement from her. She was told to ask the clubs if they had CCTV (albeit by the call handler, not a police officer). They had the name of the clubs, presumably they should have been investigating themselves, not sending an assault victim back out to do it herself. The bouncer is still working there I assume, with access to plenty more victims who might not be as ‘lucky’ as my niece.

Other incidences I can think of, a friend being dragged into an alley and robbed, verbal assaults, physical assaults, criminal damage. Okay some of these may not be as urgent, but surely the 1st example is?

It’s all very well being defensive, and I do agree on some of the points made on this thread, but can you not see why the above would alter people’s perceptions of the police? If it had been you, or your child, or close friend, what would you think?

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stillvicarinatutu · 01/10/2022 01:42

I've been victim . And my son was victim of a street robbery- he has special needs. A knife was held in his back and his phone taken .

Another time my son wasat leeds train station when a 15 year old asked to borrow his phone to make a call and then legged it . My son being a tech wizard got the IP address and knew where his phone was .

The police at the time did the best they could . I know that . Not every crime is solved . But now I understand the rules of evidence, disclosure, threshold tests ,

I realise public perception is bad and police have a massive PR issue - mostly of the top dogs making .

Most police officers are ho eat hardworking people with families and understand the frustration.

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stillvicarinatutu · 01/10/2022 01:49

And 100 % of incidents that are created do get some response - but as I explained earlier - if someone phones at 10 am saying there's a bloke in a car smoking a spliff and we can't deal with it until 6pm then the spliff smoking driver is t likely to still be there - if there is a passing patrol they may do a cursory check - probably area search no gain - if all resources are tied up it will sit on the active queue until someone has the bollocks to close it .

I aren't actually defensive of bad policing. And I acknowledge it happens. I've personal take. Jobs off other cops who are completely out of their depth because for me the victim is the priority .

I know there is bad practice and the perception is worse still .

I'm simply trying to shed some light on why you may be sat waiting 4 days to get a crime number and a police officer out when more urge t matters that aren't actually crimes have to be attended to first .

Like I said earlier - in one district of my force today there were over 90 active incidents waiting for a police officer and we by no means have 90 police officers to attend them .

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WalkthisWayUK · 01/10/2022 02:48

I think it’s incredibly difficult being on the front line - having never done that job. I can’t imagine.

I have worked in mental health and the services are still so limited, so I’m not surprised. I do think there are not enough ‘half way’ places, not in patient ward, not ‘care in the community’ but structured settings, where people can live for some months that are not right in the middle of busy towns where there is too much that can go wrong for people. Places like the retreat - where there is some peace, big gardens, activities.

And also just lessening inequalities. Mental health problems are worse when society is unequal.

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stillvicarinatutu · 01/10/2022 02:55

Namechange .....

I'm sorry if my lists were triggering or insensitive. I've just read your posts on the other thread .

I'm deeply sorry .
I am also a survivor of rape and child abuse that was quite extreme. Please accept my apology if you think I've no understanding of the issue because I have very much first hand experience- I didn't mean to be insensitive. I've compartmentalised all the separate bits of my life - professional me is professional. I don't let my own experience colour my judgement but it does give me empathy and understanding- even if my attempts to explain the clinical legal situation.

Flowers

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confessionstoday · 01/10/2022 08:23

stillvicarinatutu · 30/09/2022 18:05

I've never found it misogynistic, or racist . We have a Muslim woman who wears a hijab on shift .

And I always enjoyed the good natured humour and banter on shift between the men and women - we were fairly evenly split 50/50 men / women on my last shift . I was never treated differently, and I certainly didn't see any discrimination against women victims . 🤷🏻‍♀️. There were always lazy cops who rather than ask how to do something they didn't know how to would try and get out of it - but I think that happens in all working life . You need a strong Sgt who can say "no do xyz. " I've been lucky there .

I reported my ex for sharing intimate images - they invited him for interview and refused to take his phone from him.

I reported him for harassment they declined to do anything at all.

He reported me for stealing recycling bins that he had had delivered to my house - they sent an officer to my house to investigate

He reports me for sharing intimate images. I am arrested very publicly spent 12 hours in cells. Phone taken for 6 months. Despite the people I am accused of sharing images with making statements that it didn't happen

He reports me for harassment because I spoke to someone about a small part of what was going on that inadvertently involved this person - I am invited for formal interview.

The police are a disgrace. They are inherently sexist and misogynistic.

Complaints fall on deaf ears.

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ArcaneWireless · 01/10/2022 10:12

This thread is thoroughly depressing.

Perhaps those who think it is so simple to fix/improve service/better response times should join and show everyone how much better they can do it.

And no. I’m not police but I come in contact with them regularly (dealing with mental health issues that end up being our responsibility sadly) and I can’t praise them highly enough.

Yes there are bad apples but I would wager that happens in most professions. It is unfair to make sweeping judgements - most are doing the best they can and go above and beyond.

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stillvicarinatutu · 01/10/2022 16:56

Confessions

My experience has been the opposite . I've had men complain that we always believe the woman blah blah blah .

The way I deal with things is this - I look at the offence - not the person . That takes everything personal away . Sex, age,whether the victim is nice or not - I just deal with the offence in front of me .
I have to say on domestics I have arrested far far more men than women because usually- not always - they are the suspects and the women the victim.

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ChilliBandit · 01/10/2022 16:57

Just to back up what I was saying about salaries I’ve just seen this in the local paper, I am assuming it’s very region specific from what others are saying.

To all those wondering why police aren't investigating crime
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Audioslaw · 01/10/2022 17:18

Starting salary of 33k sounds good and if you are Met you get free travel.

Where I am and as is the case for most of the UK officers start on 24k, well they did until 4 weeks ago now it is about 25,900 per year.

Pension contributions are high and there's no way round this you either pay the full amount or you opt out.

Bottom of the pay scale take home pay after deductions if you have a student loan etc is around £1275 a month. For risking your life every day.

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Felix125 · 01/10/2022 20:00

OriginalUsername2 · 30/09/2022 14:32

So what do you want us public to do about it, specifically?

There's not a great deal you can do.

Its just the point that the reason why police can't get to the crimes which are reported - is that we have loads of other non-crime related mental health and safeguarding incidents which are tying us up.

And we can't simply ignore them. The buck stops at the police as we can't pass it down to anyone else. Paramedics are too stretched to attend, so they send it to the police - who can we pass it off too? Mental health crisis team are too stretched to attend, so they send it to the police - who can we pass it off too? Social services............. and the list goes on

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