Don't take even more of my money subsidising the wastrels and rif-raf of society who don't bother.
Lovely attitude to have towards people who are ILL!
I'm generally supportive of the police having friends and family in the service, but quite honestly even they are now complaining about being expected to spend too much of their time dealing with situations that are petty considering their v ltd time and resources - illegal bill posting, very minor disputes online, v minor incidents of shoplifting...
But yes I also agree the heart of the issue is serious underfunding of the nhs and social care as well as the police themselves. If you STILL need this pointed out to you (which i despair if voters do) the tories DON'T GIVE A FUCK!
As long as they and theirs are sheltered from the consequences of such decisions they couldn't give less of a shit! They think like the poster I quoted - that the mentally ill, addicts, homeless people are the "dregs of society" and they don't think they are deserving of any help at all.
I have severe ocd, depression and anxiety, I've been homeless too through zero fault of my own and that applies to all who are mentally ill or homeless too.
Stop accepting this, tell your Mp, your msp or similar for those in devolved nations and also local councillors that this is not acceptable and that next election you will be voting for the candidate that wholeheartedly and genuinely agrees and will do all they can to change this!
It's the only language these uncaring bastards understand - losing votes!
And yes police officers who have voted Tory should keep their traps shut and do better next election.
every incident created is attended
Op that's bullshit! In the last 5 years I've reported a number of CRIMES - break ins, open drug dealing on the street, assaults even an arson - zero attendance by police!
What HAS been attended that I'm aware of? A report of a dog barking - in the day time not for a long period of time, "shoplifting" of a small chocolate bar from a corner shop - by a toddler! Shopkeeper had noticed harassed mum hadn't storm in a teacup NO need for police involvement there at all, report of "harassment" on sm someone had posted on Facebook about a neighbours repeated loud parties (which the police never attended reports of either!) and the party throwing neighbours called the police to complain and the police did attend - your priorities on this kind of thing are ALL WRONG and I think it's of no surprise that the complainants were all "friendly" with local police officers in various ways!
Even the police officers I know admit NOT every incident is attended now so come off it!
We do try to get to every incident that's created and there is the back pedalling
And don't even get me started on the number of times non white friends and family of mine are stopped and searched for NO REASON - a regular occurrence
@Brefugee I agree policing of football, concerts etc should come out of organisers profits
Unless I feel I'm in danger personally I don't even bother reporting anything now it's pointless! And I strongly suspect many feel as I do!
Poverty, addiction and mental illness are the main causes of crime. If crime prevention is the desire then these issues have to be addressed - instead we have a Tory "good for the economy" ha!! Govt that in the last few DAYS Damn near completely bankrupted the entire fucking country!
Oh I forgot the police also attended the vigil or Sarah Everard and brutally arrested the women peacefully showing their respects
Another excellent point
How should the government/police get a grip on drug problems?
They shouldn't! It's entirely the wrong approach to the problem which is a health issue not a public order/crime one. We've tried to address it as a crime issue for DECADES very unsuccessfully - in countries where it's treated as a HEALTH issue they have a better success rate in reducing addiction generally and dealing with the consequences of addiction.
encouraging, socially, things like stable families with two parents, discouraging young women from having babies from different fathers and relying on the state to fund them
Are you kidding?! Have you even noticed that in that supremely sexist statement you've put ZERO responsibility on the FATHERS? Which is exactly what the govt fails to do too!
brutally arrested?! I saw no brutal arrests
then I would suggest perhaps you need to look again as a court has upheld that they DID behave poorly then and they SHOULD be called to account for that!
The Met have hardly showered themselves in glory the past few years have they.
Totally agree
They can't be that bloody busy if they've got time to come out to my house for that shit
Exactly! Very poor prioritisation on too many cases
The Tories came into a situation where there was no money though.
Bollocks - that was a long standing treasury in joke they used to try and deflect how Fucking clueless they actually are economically. It's now been shown that even historically the tories borrowed and wasted far more money than labour ever have! And I'm not a die hard labour voter but that's fact
The money for services IS there but it's being GIVEN to the wealthy to try and buy votes and support - which is what tories ALWAYS do when they see they are unlikely to win the next election.
Thatcher funded this with privatisation - look how well that's gone! Not!
@ted27 you are describing actual crimes which should be attended and are NOT the kind of incidents myself and others are saying SHOULDN'T be attended at all
It is on the police to show the public they are competent and not a bunch of twats. It is up to the government to fund the pollice properly.
Yep!
Funding affects their ability to do the job yes, but so do attitudes and prejudices. The sexism and racism still rife in the service seriously needs to be addressed unapologetically
And even now, this new budget will need immense further cuts on top of all the cuts already to try and balance the books
NO
we need a govt that stops giving loads of money to people who already HAVE loads of money and don't bloody need it! Then the money to fund services will be available.
@Ladybug9 if you HAD read the thread (and not doing so but commenting is imo is arrogant) you'd see many of us are not commenting merely on "perception" but on personal experience!
@Psychonabike are you genuinely trying to say you don't class addiction as a health issue and a Mh one at that? I find that shockingly prejudicial from someone claiming to work in Mh - but I'm also not entirely surprised given my experience with Mh staff too - and I'm not an addict but I've been bluntly blamed for my own Mental illness by so called experts
I've never found it misogynistic, or racist . We have a Muslim woman who wears a hijab on shift
Wow!
How to show they're racist without saying they're racist - ONE Muslim woman, so rare it's notable even by you, swathes of white men in the service though, commonly acknowledged that the police as an institute has huge issues with racism. "I'm not racist I've one non white friend" good grief!!
I certainly didn't see any discrimination against women victims
There are none so blind...
It's utterly pointless reporting a rape in the uk especially if it were perpetrated by the victims' partner or former partner
But no - fingers in ears singling "la la la not listening there's no sexism to victims of crime here" - bet you haven't the guts to say which force op as I suspect if you did there'd be a flurry of examples of where your force has fucked up in terms of racism and sexism I've yet to come across a uk force where that isn't the case!
And women can be and are sexist too op!
You know all the criticisms about low conviction number for rape etc are not the police not investigating them
Except you are wrong as that IS part of the reason for low prosecution and conviction rates! That too has been officially acknowledged!
Who looks at what chance there is on realistically getting a conviction in court
Which is at least in part based on the results of police investigations, there have been a number of cases where we now know the police did a half arsed job investigating certain sex crimes IF they investigated at all - there are well known cases where police officers literally told victims to stop bothering them/wasting their time - so more disingenuous denial by you op.
Not all rapes are "he said she said" and if the victim/victims are children then consent is not possible anyway
and the latest research is that men who commit rape are already known on systems and continue their pattern of behaviour.
I appreciate the research may help to make those who SHOULD have been acting anyway do so, surely this is stating the bleeding obvious?!
Comes back to the pp who said beat cops used to KNOW the local criminal element and to a degree kept them in check by making their presence felt. Now more than ever it's victims are expected to temper THEIR behaviour.
Yes the police are seriously underfunded BUT they also have service wide issues with attitude, prioritisation, racism, sexism and homophobia which MUST be addressed.