To all those wondering why police aren't investigating crime
stillvicarinatutu · 30/09/2022 13:35
Prompted by a discussion on here.
I'm a police officer and today we received an email from out chief constable to say that only 17% of incidents police in our force attend are for crime .
The other 83% are non crime related - mainly mental health issues. Police forces are now taking on the work of other agencies which means that they are not dealing with crime .
Partner agencies are so stretched the fall out is now being dealt with by police because we don't shut shop, don't only work 9-5 , and cannot say no .
I read and see regularly that police are criticised for not dealing with crime .
Well - this is why . Because we are picking up the slack from mental health, social services and medical incidents.
I think it's time for people to decide what they want from their police . If we weren't dealing with the 83 % of incidents that are not crime related then perhaps we could spend more time on the 17% that are . ?
I don't think people realise that this is happening to this extent .
PureBlackVoid · 30/09/2022 14:35
stillvicarinatutu · 30/09/2022 14:27
What I'm saying is for every 100 incidents called in to the police only 17 of those are for actual crimes - it's not that we are only attending 17% - it's that only 17% of the calls for our service are crime related.
What % of the 17 crime related calls would be attended to?
NameChangeNameChangeNameChangeName · 30/09/2022 14:39
I'm sure the people who the police have to visit for mental health reasons, will stop calling when they are told "Grow up . Stop being a self entitled attention seeking numpty and if you need help get it" by a police officer on a discussion forum. That's one way of reducing the workload I guess.
SleeplessInEngland · 30/09/2022 14:40
Newnameforthistopic · 30/09/2022 14:32
Until "society" votes to put a Gvmnt into power that is willing to support the vulnerable in society, the problem will just continue to get bigger and bigger, now matter how much smoke and mirrors are used to try and pretend it isn't happening.
No, NO, NO. Much of this is not for us or Government departments to manage. It is the responsibility of families and of course the people themselves.
We have worked and saved and spent time and money on our own children and older relatives.
Don't take even more of my money subsidising the wastrels and rif-raf of society who don't bother.
Yes, this is a good parody of a tory voter but I'm not sure how it helps the discussion at hand.
stillvicarinatutu · 30/09/2022 14:40
I am not blaming anyone for having a mental health crisis - but the police are not the right resource and yet we are called to deal with it time and again - tying up half a shift having to sit a patient - not a criminal. Police should attend to back up medical professionals but 9/10 there are no medical professionals- the police are left to detain under s136 and then spend 6 hours in a hospital suite unable to leave .
We should be able to get on with fighting crime - and we can't .
If only 17 calls to 101 /999 are for crime then the other 83 are for mental health, missing from home , neighbours arguing, people who are offended by something on Facebook etc etc .
I didn't join the police to be a social worker or mental health professional. I'm not trained in that ( well obviously we have training but that's not our intended role) I'm trained to investigate criminal offences . But we are not getting to those criminal offences because we are mopping up everything else .
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ChilliBandit · 30/09/2022 14:42
All the police officers I know (about as 10 lots of police in my family) vote Tory so I am not sympathetic when they moan about cuts, Not saying you do OP, I just do not get it.
Having been sat in my local A&E for 12 hours recently I saw at least 8 officers (2 x 4 pairs) over that period very patiently waiting with people having mental health crises. But I don’t think it’s fair for you put this on the public. They shouldn’t have to choose between a functioning NHS and a functioning police force. Aim your frustration at the government.
As a member of the public I would like people with mental health crisis to get appropriate help and I don’t think the police are right for this. I would also like the police to help me when I am stuck in my house because men are fighting outside on the street damaging cars or when teenagers are throwing stones at people walking past. It’s not right I have to choose between the two.
stillvicarinatutu · 30/09/2022 14:44
Pure black void
They will all get attended - every incident created is attended but the police should be dealing more with crime than the other 83% that is not crime related. That's my point .
When you get burgled and wait 4 days for a police officer to turn up it's because the time and resources are being used elsewhere first - your burglary can wait if someone is hanging off a bridge or slashing their wrists - protecting life and limb comes first . But a lot of those cases should be taken over my the correct resources and aren't - so we're then stuck dealing with non criminal matters while you're drumming your fingers wondering why we haven't got to your burglary yet .
Treaclemine · 30/09/2022 14:44
And we have above any explanation for the underfunding of the services this nation needs. Why we have an unelected PM who believes in cutting taxes, in not caring for those who cannot care for themselves.
Who decides who are wastrels and rifraf, the undeserving poor?
I don't suppose the PP goes to church so referring to Matthew 25 about who we are supposed to be responsible for will fall on deaf ears. And don't expect the police to come when the w and rr get past your ring doorbell and your alarm system and your cctv, because you won't have paid for them.
Please note, this is not addressed to those of you with a mature understanding of society, just one person above.
Brefugee · 30/09/2022 14:46
Don't take even more of my money subsidising the wastrels and rif-raf of society who don't bother.
Bollocks to that. We pay tax so that we can live in an ordered and caring society. If the government is mismanaging where that money goes, and the organisations are pissing it up the wall on other things, that is something that can be changed.
Vote for the right people.
Raidtheice · 30/09/2022 14:47
This won't go well OP, but I agree with you.
How many people on MN are told to 'phone 101 to log it with police' when their neighbours put their bin back for them and other such nonsense.
I recommend everyone should spend a shift working in an emergency services call centre. It is another world!
ThinkingForEveryone · 30/09/2022 14:48
But the police shouldn't be there to pick up the pieces because there isn't enough mental health support.
I know exactly what the OP is referring to, the person on the other thread specifies that police spent hours with her, getting her antibiotics and taking her home.
How many crimes were committed whilst they looked after that one person with mental health issues?
Relevanceiskey · 30/09/2022 14:48
OP clearly wasn't blaming those having mental health issues, they are asking they people acknowledge the reasons they didn't turn up to your bike theft, or your ex texting you over and over instead of slating them. The media and the current cancel culture has royally fucked the publics perception of the police. For the most part, as with the rest of society, police officers will help when you need and are not the arseholes they are portrayed to be.
ChilliBandit · 30/09/2022 14:50
@stillvicarinatutu - it’s not true that every incident is attended. Over the past 6 years I’ve been in my town here is what the police refused to attend and never followed up on from just me alone:
- drug dealer stood at the top of the street for 2 hours dealing drugs like he had a market stool.
- men in my front garden wasted, smoking drugs and refusing to leave, threatening me and my baby through the window
- man being attacked in the street by two thugs, I was asked to move closer to assess how bad the beating was and when I said no they said well we can’t help.
- teenagers throwing stones at passing people and cyclists
- two men fighting in the street slamming into cars.
What the police did attend: my poor elderly neighbour being reported for a covid breach, not by me I hasten to add! (she hadn’t, it was necessary care)
Brefugee · 30/09/2022 14:51
The police spend too much time on non crime hate incidents, wagging fingers at people because someone got offended.
would be interesting to see a breakdown of % of police time spent on the various categories. Of that 83% how much is mental health? how much is public engagement (dancing at pride), policing football matches (do the clubs pay for that, or part of that?) non-crime incidents, etc etc
From where i am sitting i think the police have 2 huge problems to overcome.
One is not being used for what they are intended (eg attending MH calls) the other is the public perception of them as doughnut eating sexist, racist twunts. The second they can probably get a handle on by themselves. The first? funding. And i wonder how many police officers voted for the current government?
Hobnobswantshernameback · 30/09/2022 14:51
Have to admit after reading Sussex police force's Twitter feed this week I have precious little sympathy.
they care more about a poor ickle paedophile being misgendered than they do about the actual victims of crime
spend time dealing with crime not criminalising people for staying facts
AnneLovesGilbert · 30/09/2022 14:51
You’re not being consistent. You say only 17% of the calls you get are about crimes. Suggesting people aren’t reporting crimes. Then you say you’d rather be dealing with crime and criminals but you don’t have time. Suggesting people are but they aren’t getting the help they deserve.
You also can’t decide who you’re blaming. Or what you expect MN users to do.
Pixiedust1234 · 30/09/2022 14:53
I get what you are saying @stillvicarinatutu , its pity that so many officers are being wasted by being put on pride marches etc so they can post stupid grins on twitter feeds. You see so many officers just standing around watching the insulation protesters etc. Seeing as nothing is done to remove them then you only need a couple, not busloads. If its down as preventing possible crimes, well I would prefer to see them walk the beat especially at night.
Its not just get the govt, ss or nhs in order, its also down to whoever decides to waste officers time with the pointless ineffective crap too.
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