To think that chest binders are harmful to children and shouldn't be encouraged?

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Trans charity accused of offering chest binders without parental consent

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/37b9fc6e-3d8b-11ed-b24d-96120f17513d?shareToken=b62ae7a914c919bf911bb69f54455fe8

How did we get to this point that people are saying this is brave and cheering it on?

AIBU - to think it's insanity
YABU - it's "lifesaving" and rainbow unicorns

@PaterPower good try - however, when people sign up for said show they fill out a wealth of paperwork consenting to partnering with AMAB, AFAB and everything in between. It just so happened that they genuinely didn't know my ex was trans. Good grief, there were enough news articles about it at the time.

And then did everyone stand up and clap? Was the penises name Albert Einstein? You know this is not true, we know this is not true. Bless you.

@Knittingmonster he had a hysterectomy as part of his reassignment surgery, so no worries on the uterine cancer front. Also testerone treatment doesn't increase the risk of any form of cancer, otherwise pubescent boys would have the same level of risk.

Haven’t people Been prosecuted for this? Sounds like this person was definitely trying to embrace male entitlement.

@WiseUpJanetWeiss your username is bizarrely apt. Can I recommend the trans category on pornhub for proof? Otherwise, I might be able to dig out an old home video for you, seeing as you're so keen.

@Knittingmonster see previous post about paperwork that participants in the show have to fill out.

Umm…. Why would healthy teen boys be getting testosterone treatment ? You seem very confused. It is the fact you are pumping a female body with male hormones that increases the risk of cancer, of course a surge in testosterone is normal for males entering puberty.

No thanks, porn is degrading to women.

As an alternative I can read peer reviewed medical papers and look up patient guidance on any number of official websites.

Oh I’d love to see some of this peer reviewed research, because the stuff I’ve seen says exactly the opposite of what @takeme0uttonight claims. I’m also very worried that we seem to be offered to be shown someone’s sex tape without their consent. Isn’t that illegal?

“Good Try”?!

I think that’s better directed at your own fan fiction on the magic penis your exGF possessed.

I’d be fascinated to meet the surgeon(s) who successfully took skin grafted from a thigh or forearm and turned it into anything that realistically resembles a penis. AND managed to make it get erect without any form of mechanical intervention!

I mean, I’m impressed by the Clifton Suspension bridge, but the engineering that must have gone into your ex’s ‘appendage’ puts Brunel to shame.

Good luck to her (and I mean this genuinely) when all the unwanted side effects from the skin grafting and replumbing come back to haunt her. She’s in for a very painful 30s and 40s.

Yes arent transmen put through early menopause, leaving them at greater risk of osteoporosis and ligament damage? The fact this poor child would have also been out on puberty blockers, with all the harmful effects, and then lied to by the people they were supposed to trust is so so sad.

Trans men are men. Trans women are women. That's all there is to it.

I sincerely hope, for the sake of your children, that none of them ever go through what my ex did. In a nation of "be kind", please keep in mind that 82% of trans youths have had thoughts of suicide. 40% of trans youths have ATTEMPTED suicide. 21% of those youths have been successful in their attempts. Imagine those youths were your children. Would you rather be so close minded than push them to that? You should be ashamed.

And there we go, we can tick the fake suicide and guilt tripping off the bingo card. In a nation of be kind, why are women being beaten up, doxed, abused, threatened and fired for demanding single sex spaces?

@takeme0uttonight - ok, so while still being overtly hostile to other poster's male partners for no obvious reason:

"@Knittingmonster no, he's in a gay relationship. 2x penises = gay relationship. And I can assure you, from experience, his penis functions the same way your miserable husband/boyfriend/partners does, with the blessed relief I'd never have an unwanted pregnancy"

you are also being really disingenuous. If your ex's surgically created penis could become erect spontaneously, then it must have been created via metoidioplasty, which due to the erectile abilities of the clitoral tissue that it was created from, can become spontaneously erect, however the downside of this is that this form of created penis (or neopenis) is that it is almost always too small to have penetrative sex with.

If, on the other hand it was surgically created via
phalloplasty, then it will have been created from skin from another part of the body, and will be unable to become spontaneously erect, but can be adapted to do so by a penile implant which will have to be manually "cranked" so to speak.
I can understand your cognitive dissonance to want to truly believe that your ex was/is a male, but they just aren't and it's not healthy to state that as fact. They have a surgically altered body, to appear in the male form, the live and present as male, but they are biologically female.

I wouldn't insult them as referring to them as her or she, but neither will I insult my own intelligence by saying that they have "become male" or "were born in the wrong body", because neither are true. If they weren't born with DSD, they are and were female and always will be.

And stop with the churlish insults, it's just making you look immature and taking away from any decent points you're trying to make. Just have an adult conversation, as most other people on the post are trying to do.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

Enjoy. Women aren't being being beaten up, doxxed, abused or threatened than they were any more before trans males became a "thing". I am not for one minute saying trans men are angels, but you're as likely to be raped/abused/beaten up by a cis man as a trans man

If my child came to me saying they thought they were the opposite sex, I’d find out why they thought that, gently tell them humans cannot change sex and they were not born in the wrong body, and work with them to help them accept themselves for who they are, whilst also investigating and outside influences and any other mental health issues they may be struggling with. 80% of the girls referred to GIDS had autism, anorexia, history Of sexual abuse or other factors which were influencing their transition. I would not whip them straight to mermaids or gender gp, and I would not for one minute lie to them and tell them they could change sex.

takeme0uttonight, are you suggesting that 10% of youths identifying as trans have committed suicide?

TBH, the fact that so many trans identifying young people are contemplating suicide suggests there is a mental health issue going on rather than anything else.

because weirdly, with enough treatment, you CAN reassign your gender

Sorry but most trans people don't "pass" as the opposite gender regardless of what they do (not to an experienced adult anyway).

youve left transwomen out of your list I’m more likely to be raped or beaten up by than by transmen. And if you think that women are not being attacked for demanding single sex spaces you’re either not posting in good faith, or you are lying to yourself .

'but you're as likely to be raped/abused/beaten up by a cis man as a trans man'

Slightly odd statement - I would have thought you were FAR more likely to be beaten up by a cis man than a trans man, because trans men are female and statistics show violence to be perpetrated, on the whole, by male sexed people.

but my ex partner was more of a man than 99% of your tiny dicked, shiftless, horrible husbands.

You're making yourself sound super rational, well adjusted, mentally healthy etc.

(Oh and my DH has quite a big dick lmao)

Trans men are men. Trans women are women.

In what way?

@takeme0uttonight

You can tar and feather a fox, but it'll never be a chicken.

It was born a fox, it'll live as a fox and it'll die as a fox. And when its bones are dug up, no-one will say 'Oh, look - these are the bones of a chicken'. They'll say: 'it's a fucking fox'.

but my ex partner was more of a man than 99% of your tiny dicked, shiftless, horrible husbands.

Also you're forgetting a lot of MN posters are single and or lesbian.

You don't know this forum very well.

Well no, they're trans men, so biologically women, and trans women who are biologically men.