To think that chest binders are harmful to children and shouldn't be encouraged?

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Trans charity accused of offering chest binders without parental consent

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/37b9fc6e-3d8b-11ed-b24d-96120f17513d?shareToken=b62ae7a914c919bf911bb69f54455fe8

How did we get to this point that people are saying this is brave and cheering it on?

AIBU - to think it's insanity
YABU - it's "lifesaving" and rainbow unicorns

@Knittingmonster no, he's in a gay relationship. 2x penises = gay relationship. And I can assure you, from experience, his penis functions the same way your miserable husband/boyfriend/partners does, with the blessed relief I'd never have an unwanted pregnancy

@LaughingPriest this is the first remotely sensible thing I've seen all night

'My partner never wanted to go into the woman's changing rooms to perv on women, all he wanted was to be accepted in the men's room.'

Women don't generally go into female changing rooms to oerv on people. This probably goes some way to explaining your ex partner' stance. And most women do have issues with male bodied people being in women's changing rooms. They just don't feel, in today's climate, they can say so.

For those saying binders are no different to sports bras, why don't the girls and young women involved just wear a sports bra - no secrecy or underhand behaviour from so called 'charities' required at all.

So rather than encouraging and helping your ex to accept her body, and the fact she did not like the things ‘girls are meant to like’, her parents subjected her to years of medical procedures and drugs which have been proven to have harmful effects on children. The poor poor girl.

@takeme0uttonight so she’s in a relationship with a straight bloke taking advantage of a vulnerable girl with obvious mental health issues. Again, the poor poor girl. She can’t be in a same sex relationship with a male. She’s female.

@Rapidtango even female born individuals can have sexual feelings towards another women. Heaven FORBID you were in the same changing room as a lesbian, imagine if they peeked around the curtain.

He's my ex boyfriend because I got cancer and neither of us coped with it well. Does that work for you?

Also, 93% of trans men start with sports bras, because binders are 60% more expensive.

Which post (all of them, obviously )

Genuinely am curious though about my first question - Presumably (do correct if I'm wrong) he was very strongly of the opinion that men have male bodies and women have female bodies? (I.e. men are flat-chested, etc)

What does he make of the current view that you can be either gender regardless of your body - that physical sex is separate from gender, gender is a feeling, therefore women can be (and can be indistinguishable from) male-bodied people?

@LaughingPriest

All of them, of course 😂

He was very strongly of the opinion that he needed his body to match how he felt - societal views of the masculine body gave him something to aim for.

I've sadly no answer to your second question - I've not spoken to him for a very long time, but I imagine he'd be as open to the idea of gender as a non-exclusive construct as he was about everything else.

'even female born individuals can have sexual feelings towards another women. Heaven FORBID you were in the same changing room as a lesbian, imagine if they peeked around the curtain.'
NS Sherlock. The point being, the word you used was 'perv', and 'lesbians peeking round curtains '. Generally, in changing rooms, women (even lesbians ) don't go 'peeking round curtains ' and if they made a habit of it I'm sure they'd get short shrift.

I didn't question why your partner is your ex. I meant his stance (and behaviour in women's changing rooms) has more to do with them being a female sexed person.

The fact that binders are more expensive just adds to the question why, if they're no different to sports bras why not just continue with the sports bra?

You say this but you immediately assumed that everyone posting on here was a het person, and you insulted my (fictional) male partner on the basis that I must have one. Obviously female people can be attracted to other female people. They’re called lesbians. Obviously your ex was one.

I don’t know what you mean by a trans female. However, there have been countless threads on the dangers of mixed sex toilets and changing rooms.

@Mummyoflittledragon trans female is male to female individual. HTH

@Knittingmonster no - he was a male in a relationship with a cishet woman

@takeme0uttonight
Ok thank you. That has cleared it up. Are you ok with men in women’s spaces, such as prisons, toilets and changing rooms?

@Rapidtango there isn't any real reason that trans males shouldn't continue to use sports bras - if used for long enough, a sports bra will compress the breast tissue (and this is on the safety label of all sports bras) - all trans men would have to do is keep going down the sizes. However, capitalism and advertising make binders more attractive, especially for those who aren't anywhere near a waiting list

But you said your partner was female @takeme0uttonight , therefore you were in a lesbian relationship. Awesome. Why are you such a homophobe you cannot admit this? How could you be in a het relationship when you are both female? As humans cannot change sex, and your partner is female, not a het relationship.

@Mummyoflittledragon I can't say I've ever really thought about it, especially as I've never been in prison. If I'm in a toilet or a changing room, I'm usually in my own cubicle.

My sister was raped by a cis male in the porch of her home - should he have waited for a male appropriate space to do so?

@Knittingmonster HE had previously been born female before I met him. He had a penis, we had penetrative sex, it got hard, I'm not really sure what else you want me to say? Would you like a mumsnetty diagram?

Your ex's penis becomes erect without any intervention and ejaculates semen? Seems unlikely to me.

Your ex should be treated with respect (certainly with more respect than you are treating the heterosexual partnered women on here). Your ex's body can be altered so it looks like a man's body. There's nothing wrong with that at all if freely chosen without coercion or deception*. But your ex will always be female.

*Telling small children that they can choose their sex is a lie. Telling small children that their rejection of gendered roles is, rather than healthy and sensible, an indication that they have been born in the wrong body, is a lie.

I think chest binders should be made illegal. It's a form of mutilation on a child at a very vulnerable time of their life. This charity will have a lot to answer for later - there will a whole load of medical related claims against them, I'm sure.
And I bet social media is bombarding these kids with posts related to binding all the time

And also @Knittingmonster I've been in lesbian relationships since, with cis females AND shock horror, trans females.

@sorcerersapprentice ban sports bras as well then

@WiseUpJanetWeiss yes, it did become erect without intervention. It ejaculated the same way a woman squirts. As with a PP, would you like a diagram?

I fully think and support children feeling how they feel.

The person he was on a date with had no idea he had "previously been female".

Or in other words, she removed her new partner’s ability to give informed consent.

You know what… it appears that she actually DOES have more typically male traits than most women. Well done to her 🙄

She was also female whilst dating you @takeme0uttonight . Humans cannot change sex. Your partner would never need a prostate exam for example but would be at increased risk of cervical and uterine cancer due to the drugs she was taking, unless she’d convinced some quack to give her a hysterectomy at a stupidly young age. The fact your partners parents encouraged her to believe she had actually changed sex sums up a lot of the problems with the trans ideology being forced into children.