Page 3 | To think that chest binders are harmful to children and shouldn't be encouraged?

WandaWomblesaurus · 2022-09-28T23:29:52+00:00

Trans charity accused of offering chest binders without parental consent https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/37b9fc6e-3d8b-11ed-b24d-96120f17513d?shareToken=b62ae7a914c919bf911bb69f54455fe8 How did we get to this point that people are saying this is brave and cheering it on? AIBU - to think it's insanity YABU - it's "lifesaving" and rainbow unicorns

FrancescaContini · 29/09/2022 13:22

Carrieonmywaywardsun · 29/09/2022 13:19

There are safe ways to bind but only a medical professional should be advising and giving children binders/binding products with no education or safe space to ask for medical help is doing far more harm than good

Seriously concerned by the number of posters here minimising the harm done by these things.

Whatwouldscullydo · 29/09/2022 13:25

lifeturnsonadime · 29/09/2022 13:22

Maybe it's better to teach our girls that there is no wrong way to be one and that there is no need to harm their bodies or modify them, they are perfect just as they are.

Or is that too much to expect!

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Begs the question why it's OK for adult males to retain their bodies just as they are and even grow a beard and still get to be called a woman but children must have access to binders etc. Why do these children need to permanently deform themselves when adults are able to not touch their bodies in any way and get the same recognition of their gender 🤔

TheAntiTruss · 29/09/2022 13:25

We’re living in the craziest of eras.

lifeturnsonadime · 29/09/2022 13:26

Whatwouldscullydo · 29/09/2022 13:25

Begs the question why it's OK for adult males to retain their bodies just as they are and even grow a beard and still get to be called a woman but children must have access to binders etc. Why do these children need to permanently deform themselves when adults are able to not touch their bodies in any way and get the same recognition of their gender 🤔

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These kids are props.

It's scandalous.

SwordToFlamethrower · 29/09/2022 13:39

My teenage daughter is using binders without my consent, but with the consent of her dad.

I can do nothing about it. It has broken my heart into a million pieces.

Whatwouldscullydo · 29/09/2022 13:44

It's scandalous

When you think about it what do they get out of it. Money/publicity/ validation fir adults/more money. No incentive to even worry about whether they get it right because all the kids just get bounced around the inner circle.another provider of binders who can sell a solution. With so few choice if drs they have no choice but to go back and part with more cash for the very people who fucked it up the first time.

What do we get. Besides reported to police/our bosses. Banned from forums for "explicit language " when you refuse to use cutesy names for procedures /interventions. And broken children with much if their futures in question.

Yet we are the bad guys. Despite all the risks many are taking with their jobs. With non crime incidents appearing on dbs checks. With threats of rape and violence online. Yet they still keep going becuase if they don't protect the children who will. That should tell us everything we need to know really.

Igmum · 29/09/2022 14:33

Can't vote because I'm on the app but YADNBU. Total safeguarding red flag. No one should be encouraging children to harm themselves. And these people receive government money and tax incentives. Appalling

Abhannmor · 29/09/2022 14:37

YANBU . It is harmful , regressive and bonkers. If it was happening in a 3rd World country people would be up in arms about it.

FirstandLastBorn · 29/09/2022 14:41

YANBU

Adults and organisations encouraging this are despicable.

Original poster

WandaWomblesaurus · 29/09/2022 17:39

BeeRogue · 29/09/2022 12:53

Just to be clear chest binding and chest ironing aren't the same thing.

One is mutilating someone else's chest with heavy or hot objects, damaging the breast tissue permanently. The other is wrapping your own chest with soft material to reduce the appearance of the breasts. It causes no more physical harm than wearing sports bras - in fact, it causes less harm by distributing the weight more evenly across the back.

Breast ironing is: “the process during which young pubescent girls’ breasts are ironed, massaged, flattened and/or pounded down over a period of time (sometimes years) in order for the breasts to disappear or delay the development of the breasts entirely...large stones, a hammer or spatula that have been heated over scorching coals can be used to compress the breast tissue."

Chest binding is: "the flattening of breasts with constrictive materials such as cloth strips, purpose-built undergarments, often using spandex or other synthetic fiber, and shirts layered from tight to loose...Binders may also be used as alternatives to bras or for reasons of propriety."

Children and trans issues are an entirely separate discussion point but being outraged by your own confusion doesn't help real issues by discussed. Trans people are not engaging in chest ironing.

Look at the Met Police definitions above.

Of course there is an end goal. The end goal that gets pushed eventually along with the breast binding you are attempting to minimise.

They are engaging in encouraging double mastectomies and rebranding it as "top surgery"

Big cheer! Rainbows! Magic!

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WandaWomblesaurus · 01/10/2022 12:56

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/time-to-change-the-world-not-girls-bodies-m03n269xf

Why can't we just leave girls bodies alone?

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catandcoffee · 01/10/2022 12:59

FeralWitch · 29/09/2022 07:56

It’s like an anorexia-support group sending out laxatives. I’m gobsmacked.

💯 % correct.
when you look at it like this it's so unbelievable wrong.

FrancescaContini · 02/10/2022 03:15

WandaWomblesaurus · 01/10/2022 12:56

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/time-to-change-the-world-not-girls-bodies-m03n269xf

Why can't we just leave girls bodies alone?

Great article - I love Janice. And I agree with your comment. Why, indeed?

Rainbowshit · 02/10/2022 04:22

I see some idiot has said they are just like sports bras. NO

Sports bras are recommended to alleviate discomfort and breast tissue damage during high impact activities.

Binders are designed to compress Brest tissue to masculinise the chest.and the safety warnings say they are NOT meant to be worn while exercising because they restrict breathing. Side effect is permanent damage to the breast tissue.

They are absolutely NOT the same thing.

takeme0uttonight · 02/10/2022 04:31

ISaySteadyOn · 29/09/2022 06:46

Utterly wrong. There is no safe way to bind. And I find it very sad that some girls find the prospect of womanhood so awful that they feel a need to do this.

Assuming you are a woman, I have a number of points:

7 years ago, I got a breast reduction. My breasts, the things that apparently make me 'interently female' were making me ill. Does that make me less of a woman?
There are safe ways to bind, which I was taught by, god forbid, the NHS, following my reduction, to keep all the requisite bits in place
My ex partner was trans. HE wasn't a pervert, or a deviant, or someone who wanted to look at women in changing rooms. He was someone born in the wrong body. He went through all the surgeries, and subsequently appeared on a popular tv show. People thought he'd been male all his life, because weirdly, with enough treatment, you CAN reassign your gender. DM if you want proof of his existence, because it's readily available on YouTube
As a cis woman myself, I find the idea of being a woman intolerable. Womanhood is mired with harassment, rape, degradation, solitude. Who would want womanhood if they didn't truly feel they were born that way?

sashh · 02/10/2022 04:58

BeeRogue · 29/09/2022 12:53

Just to be clear chest binding and chest ironing aren't the same thing.

One is mutilating someone else's chest with heavy or hot objects, damaging the breast tissue permanently. The other is wrapping your own chest with soft material to reduce the appearance of the breasts. It causes no more physical harm than wearing sports bras - in fact, it causes less harm by distributing the weight more evenly across the back.

Breast ironing is: “the process during which young pubescent girls’ breasts are ironed, massaged, flattened and/or pounded down over a period of time (sometimes years) in order for the breasts to disappear or delay the development of the breasts entirely...large stones, a hammer or spatula that have been heated over scorching coals can be used to compress the breast tissue."

Chest binding is: "the flattening of breasts with constrictive materials such as cloth strips, purpose-built undergarments, often using spandex or other synthetic fiber, and shirts layered from tight to loose...Binders may also be used as alternatives to bras or for reasons of propriety."

Children and trans issues are an entirely separate discussion point but being outraged by your own confusion doesn't help real issues by discussed. Trans people are not engaging in chest ironing.

You are wrong.

But this post will probably be deleted because MNHQ don't like me saying things like that.

ChagSameachDoreen · 02/10/2022 05:27

1) 7 years ago, I got a breast reduction. My breasts, the things that apparently make me 'interently female' were making me ill. Does that make me less of a woman?

No. But that doesn't change the fact that teenage girls having their breasts removed is a travesty.

2) There are safe ways to bind, which I was taught by, god forbid, the NHS, following my reduction, to keep all the requisite bits in place

There are not safe ways to bind young growing breast tissue. Post-surgery wound healing is not the issue here.

3) My ex partner was trans. HE wasn't a pervert, or a deviant, or someone who wanted to look at women in changing rooms. He was someone born in the wrong body. He went through all the surgeries, and subsequently appeared on a popular tv show. People thought he'd been male all his life, because weirdly, with enough treatment, you CAN reassign your gender. DM if you want proof of his existence, because it's readily available on YouTube

Your ex-partner exists. Nobody is doubting that. But she is female - was born female and will die female. Her sex will never changed no matter how much surgery she has.

4) As a cis woman myself, I find the idea of being a woman intolerable. Womanhood is mired with harassment, rape, degradation, solitude. Who would want womanhood if they didn't truly feel they were born that way?

Males with fetishes who get off on the degradation.

Ahf22 · 02/10/2022 05:31

FrancescaContini · 29/09/2022 13:22

Seriously concerned by the number of posters here minimising the harm done by these things.

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I think those posters coming on here and minimising it “nothing to see here” and ludicrously comparing it to sports bras etc are very telling and only serves to them inadvertently highlighting how scandalous this actually is and how brainwashed they’ve become

it’s child abuse plain and simple and those advocating for it are complicit.

takeme0uttonight · 02/10/2022 05:33

ChagSameachDoreen · 02/10/2022 05:27

1) 7 years ago, I got a breast reduction. My breasts, the things that apparently make me 'interently female' were making me ill. Does that make me less of a woman?

No. But that doesn't change the fact that teenage girls having their breasts removed is a travesty.

2) There are safe ways to bind, which I was taught by, god forbid, the NHS, following my reduction, to keep all the requisite bits in place

There are not safe ways to bind young growing breast tissue. Post-surgery wound healing is not the issue here.

3) My ex partner was trans. HE wasn't a pervert, or a deviant, or someone who wanted to look at women in changing rooms. He was someone born in the wrong body. He went through all the surgeries, and subsequently appeared on a popular tv show. People thought he'd been male all his life, because weirdly, with enough treatment, you CAN reassign your gender. DM if you want proof of his existence, because it's readily available on YouTube

Your ex-partner exists. Nobody is doubting that. But she is female - was born female and will die female. Her sex will never changed no matter how much surgery she has.

4) As a cis woman myself, I find the idea of being a woman intolerable. Womanhood is mired with harassment, rape, degradation, solitude. Who would want womanhood if they didn't truly feel they were born that way?

Males with fetishes who get off on the degradation.

What a small minded individual you are. Interestingly, your username tells me all I need to know. Have a good evening.

MorningPlatypus · 02/10/2022 05:43

YANBU.

I'd like to add that there is no such thing as being born in the wrong body. We should be working with people to help them accept their own healthy bodies, instead of encouraging them to hurt themselves in pursuit of an unattainable ideal

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 02/10/2022 05:44

SwordToFlamethrower · 29/09/2022 13:39

My teenage daughter is using binders without my consent, but with the consent of her dad.

I can do nothing about it. It has broken my heart into a million pieces.

Why cant you do anything?

Rainbowshit · 02/10/2022 05:44

ChagSameachDoreen · 02/10/2022 05:27

1) 7 years ago, I got a breast reduction. My breasts, the things that apparently make me 'interently female' were making me ill. Does that make me less of a woman?

No. But that doesn't change the fact that teenage girls having their breasts removed is a travesty.

2) There are safe ways to bind, which I was taught by, god forbid, the NHS, following my reduction, to keep all the requisite bits in place

There are not safe ways to bind young growing breast tissue. Post-surgery wound healing is not the issue here.

3) My ex partner was trans. HE wasn't a pervert, or a deviant, or someone who wanted to look at women in changing rooms. He was someone born in the wrong body. He went through all the surgeries, and subsequently appeared on a popular tv show. People thought he'd been male all his life, because weirdly, with enough treatment, you CAN reassign your gender. DM if you want proof of his existence, because it's readily available on YouTube

Your ex-partner exists. Nobody is doubting that. But she is female - was born female and will die female. Her sex will never changed no matter how much surgery she has.

4) As a cis woman myself, I find the idea of being a woman intolerable. Womanhood is mired with harassment, rape, degradation, solitude. Who would want womanhood if they didn't truly feel they were born that way?

Males with fetishes who get off on the degradation.

This. ^

I was going to reply to @takeme0uttonight 's ludicrous post but you have said everything I would have said but better.

Strictlyfanoftenyears · 02/10/2022 05:46

BeeRogue · 29/09/2022 13:03

The point made is that she doesn't know the difference...

It literally is the same as wearing a tight non-wired bra. Many women do wear breast binders instead of bras. In fact, many breast binders are bras that have been re-marketed (i.e. the same exact product in different packaging).

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Are you a man? You seem not to know about bras..........................................

takeme0uttonight · 02/10/2022 05:47

MorningPlatypus · 02/10/2022 05:43

YANBU.

I'd like to add that there is no such thing as being born in the wrong body. We should be working with people to help them accept their own healthy bodies, instead of encouraging them to hurt themselves in pursuit of an unattainable ideal

There is absolutely such a thing as being born in the wrong body.

takeme0uttonight · 02/10/2022 05:47

@Rainbowshit yaaaaawn