To blame Tory/Brexit voters for this shitshow

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They "knew what they voted for".

This democracy thing is a real bugger !.

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Brexit and Tory voters haven't been ignored though, have they? They 100% got everything they voted for. We are all living with the consequences of their decisions. What they don't get though, is everyone else to shut up about the absolute carnage they have created. This shitshow belongs to them.

I think proud Brexit Tory voters should proudly put a proud bullseye on their foreheads so that we can tell them what we think when the riots start.

Haffiana Wow, so you think people who you disagree with should be shot?

Will you be taking part in the riots or just cheering from the sidelines?

Remain voters got everything they wanted for over 40 years. People who didn't want to be in the EU had to live with it.

Why do people keep conflating voting for Brexit and voting Conservative?

The Brexit vote came from all political parties.

"we'll see how it goes." @wackamole How long are you going to give it?

It reminds me of the old historian joke:

"What are the main outcomes of the French Reveolution?"
"Don't know, it's too early to tell!"

You also don't have one vote and ignore it and have another vote. Labour win an election, they get into government. If the Tories win a vote later on, they then get into government. If the government had simply ignored the results of the Brexit vote, after printing their own literature clearly stating that the result would be implemented, it would have terminally damaged any faith in democracy in this country.

If people want to rejoin, they need to start a rejoin party and try to win election. I really don't think there is any appetite to join the EU at the moment.

People were told explicitly and repeatedly by Brexiteers that voting to leave the EU would not mean leaving the single market. There was no mandate for this so no fresh mandate is needed to rejoin it.

Further, there was no campaign to get public permission to hold an EU referendum either time it has happened previously so I'm not sure why people who did want to do that would need that.

Exactly, this was always coming after covid

All credible economic studies indicate clearly that Brexit has done more severe and longer lasting damage to the UK economy than Covid.

The Conservatives instigated the referendum for internal party reasons when it was nowhere on the public's lists of top concerns in decades. Most of the funding for the misleading campaign came from Tory donors. More Conservative voters supported it than voters from any other party. The Conservative party then drove through the most damaging hard Brexit possible with no mandate to do so and their voters kept them in power despite this.

That's why.

Do people just type this stuff or actually start yelling at strangers (or worse) when they find out how they voted?

All a bit yelling on people on buses territory

I'm not sure whether recriminations like this get you anywhere. We need to return to sanity and reform systems for funding and political ads to prevent the same things happening again.

Politicians should decide on what's best for the country from this point on. Probably returning to the single market.

There should be much better scrutiny of our systems, the Brexit campaign would not have succeeded without Russian funding and exploitation of social media data. People like Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage shouldn't be treated as comical caricatures by the media.

Yes, the instigated it, but the Labour Party was split on it, and their party leaders never came out against it.

Brexit happened with votes from all parties, maybe not the LibDems, nut they aren't that many anyway.

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat Conservatives and their owners need to own brexit. They sound stupid when trying to spread the blame

There was always a groundswell of anti-EU opinion and it was ridiculous that both major political parties were allowed to ignore it for so long.

All the people going on about the pandemic and Ukraine. The whole world went through the pandemic and most countries had harsher and longer restrictions than us yet are in a better state. Also, we barely get any gas from Russia yet we are worst affected by the rising prices, why? Brexit.

Germany gets most of their gas from Russia yet is not in recession, but we are.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/619781

Nope. Regular opinion polls for decades showed that when asked about their priorities EU membership featured nowhere in voter's top 10 concerns. The Brexit referendum was demanded by Tory donors - who also funded it - to avoid having to implement the EU Directive on tax avoidance and money laundering, which would have meant the beneficial owners of all of the offshore funds held in UK affiliated tax havens had to be disclosed. Public opinion to support the campaign to leave the EU was stirred up once the referendum had been announced, using scaremongering and spurious arguments and blaming the EU for things that were nothing to do with it, promising the moon on a stick. You can't rewrite history now that as predicted that turned out to be a shit stick instead.

I remember when my kid was about three, she reached out and knocked a drink over on the table while we were all eating dinner. She immediately said 'it wasn't me' . Some people, grown adults though, sound a bit like that. Except my daughter wasn't told repeatedly that her actions would knock the glass over beforehand and after the glass was knocked over she didn't insist that there was no water on the table and even if there was, it was better that everyone's food was wet.

The UK has to own Brexit. It was a joint effort in many ways, by many politicians.

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Covid and Putin haven't exactly helped either.

@Florenz Actually the successive governments that did ignore this we’re doing the right thing.

The EU had become the bogeyman for many, particularly those who harked back to when Britain was a true world force. It also became bogeyman for the disenfranchised who blamed immigration on their woes.

Strong politicians such as Major, Thatcher, Blair and Brown, for all their faults, knew this.

Weak ones such as Cameron and populist ones such as Johnson either didn’t get this or didn’t care.

The referendum was always a bad idea, and those with the counties, rather than their own or the Tory party, interests at heart, knew this.

No Chardonnay. They conservatives need to own it. End of

www.statista.com/statistics/518474/eu-referendum-voting-intention-by-political-affiliation/

You might want to take a look at the statistics. Yes, there are more Conservative votes for Brexit, but the ones from the Labour Party and the LibDems are definitely not negligible.