To blame Tory/Brexit voters for this shitshow

[Kendodd]

They "knew what they voted for".

If brexit is so brilliant why are brexiteers always so desperate for any discussion of it to be curtailed or hidden away?

They are totally to blame. How could anyone genuinely think that brexit would be a good idea? And the tories have only ever cared about the rich.

There never is a discussion, it's just the same old Brexiters are thick and racist and everyone jumps in to agree and claps themselves on the back it's tedious and dull

Blimey is Germany doing well now they have hardly any heating all winter (and I would say they are colder than here).

True

Brexit has made no difference to my life - I've lived in the far east, the USA, the middle east - there are other places than Europe ....

Why not hide threads you aren't interested in rather than opening and posting on them?. You could even take a break from mumsnet if you don't like people posting about what's going on in the country

and the CFCs in deodorant aerosol sprays making that he in the ozone layer.

'Hole' not 'he'

Hang on - those saying Covid/War are being a bit disingenuous.

Covid hasn't helped.
War hasn't helped.
Brexit hasn't helped.
The constantly changing govt hasn't helped.
The policy decisions haven't helped.
The ecoonomic decisions haven't helped.

Just because there's many shades of grey doesn't mean you can't highlight some shades of grey. Nothing is working in this country: trains, wages, benefits, education, primary care, food distribution, student finance, mortgages, DVLA, hospitals, passports, utilities...what is working well? Stocks and shares? Research and Development? This is a culmination of many decisions made by those in power. For 12 years. Ignoring this blatant fact is stupidity. There has to be se responsibility on the electorate, we have voted in a way that has had consequences.

Please can we drop the 'What about Corbyn, he would be worse' rubbish too. He is gone, it didn't work. The obsession with the man is ridiculous.

I feel happy about Brexit. The economic downturn is the fallout from Covid as well as Russia's offensive in Ukraine. I'm happy with the way both have been dealt with by the UK government. Any party in power would have found themselves in the same economic position. We are not in a great financial situation but I don't blame anyone and don't feel any anger. There hasn't been a generation that hasn't suffered a period of financial difficulty. This is our turn.

This..absolutely no argument there using labour for their whataboutary

Agree safemove !

5 years? It only took Liz Truss a couple of weeks.

I think Tory voters were gullible, yes, but the Conservative party didn't have to be quite so shit did they? They could have just done their jobs properly instead of using their jobs as a gravy train. Let's keep the blame with the people who deserve it please?

Conservative party didn't have to be quite so shit did they? They could have just done their jobs properly instead of using their jobs as a gravy train.

Hear hear.

Not sure blaming helps, but Brexit is part of the problem. Food costs have risen due to the cost of imports and exports and the value of the pound has dropped. There are many economists who predicted what we are seeing now.

pandemic and war has 100% played its part but other European countries have faced that too and not seen household living standards drop in the way ours has.

And the reason it was a couple of weeks and not less was because there was a period of mourning after the Queen died too.

As I have pointed out on here before, Corbyn's economic ideology was perceived as reckless, but at least the money would have ended up with the people who needed it and not lining the pockets of the country's top 1% of earners. We've just crashed our economy for no bloody reason which is far worse.

I'm surprised bots are still churning out the Corbyn jibes, surely they know it has no impact now?

This is the answer to another poster's "What's Brexit got to do with it?" question. Everything is so much worse than it would otherwise be.
I think the worst thing is that the parliamentary Tory party knew it would be, but preferred to pander to their heartlands / pull in the Red Wall by allowing them to believe that EU was the problem rather than globalisation/de-industrialisation. What do they care - not a single one of them will be adversely affected themselves.

Yes you're right OP. As this thread shows though, they'll never admit it even to themselves.

The effect of Brexit on the economy has been enormous - bigger than COVID according to the Brexit-championing government's own figures. Just because other factors are also present doesn't negate that. Comparing the UK to other countries is irrelevant - the proper comparison would be with the UK had brexit not happened. I genuinely don't know whether the people who keep saying "but Germany" are thick enough not to understand that or just lying to themselves.

Pointless, ideologically-driven benefits-blaming thousands-killing debt-increasing early 2010s austerity PLUS GDP-shrinking export-wrecking tax-base-reducing soft-power-destroying labour-shortage-causing Brexit PLUS worst of both worlds economy-ruining death-causing COVID policies PLUS Trussonomics EQUALS where we are now.

Every single one a Tory choice.

Also, even apart from its direct effects, you could say it's all down to Brexit in that the 2016 vote led inexorably to the extremist and criminal Johnson/Truss governments where bowing to the cult is more important than competence.

But it all goes back to 2010 really. Gordon Brown called a bigot a bigot (in private) and the country decided that was worth setting us down this road. Everyone who's voted Brexit and/or Tory for the last decade or so is responsible, and yes we should blame them. I do.

Because the cult of Brexit changed politics.
The Tories and their voters (including first time 'get Brexit done' voters) 'don't need experts'. They sack civil servants who know what they're on about for being to pessimistic (knowledgeable) and only listen to scorched earth Brexit loving economist Patrick Minford. He insistently told us Brexit would end manufacturing and farming in the UK, who cares, 'fuck business' they cheered.

My prediction is that Truss and Co will set their sights on picking a fight with the EU to whip up their faithful and destroy the fragile peace in NI. Their voters have made it very, very clear over these last few years that they could not give a shit if theres blood on the streets there.

Nobody voted for covid or the Ukraine war.
People did vote for this shitshow, they can own it.

I'm guessing this is a joke.

I would blame the Tory members who voted for Truss as leader. Any Tory/ Brexit voter? Not really. I'm a Remainer and not only a non-Tory but an anti-Tory tactical voter, but most Tory governments did not practice this level of lunacy. Nor was it a key part of the Brexit campaign.

The Brexit topic is an echo chamber with about 5 posters who just post the same stuff over and over again - so when one of them wants to start a more lively argument they have to post on AIBU.