Liz Truss - why didn't we realise?

[ARoyalSubject]

Turn the clock back a month, and we knew she was stupid, and that more than likely she was the wrong choice for a sensible, responsible prime minister - but did people join the dots and realise that she was such an ideologue / so in thrall to ideologues?

AIBU to say that the media didn't spell out exactly what a Truss premiership meant?

She and Kwazi have written a book on exactly what's happening now for god's sake! Why wasn't the possibility they would act on it examined in more detail?

I'm not a member of the Tory party - did they realise what they were voting for?

This is why people have to understand that Brexit is not over. You are ruled by Brexiters whose goals are not yet complete.

The aim of the Brexit Tories is a low tax, low regulation, low social protection state.

I used it as a neutral term actually. It's possible to be a great idiot savant. It's also possible to be a Young Conservative 😂

rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of interest rate rises

TBH fair rates have been really low like never before and if you are dependent on saving that has to be a worry but they were going to be coming up gradually - now it's looks like it will be steep and rapid.

I think many Tory MP are worried - whether the conservative party member electorate are who knows.

I didn’t vote conservative. I don’t understand anyone who does unless they’re very high earners. I have a small business and import from China, but now I can’t replace my stock because the low value of the pound makes any profit almost impossible. A lot of companies, particularly small ones that sell low value items, will be in the same position. How is that helping the economy?

Because they are too dim to recognise a disaster capitalist when they see one. And possibly to dim to recognise what that means for anyone who's not rich enough to have shedloads in a hedge fund.

Kwarteng was a paid adviser to Crispin Odey, who runs a hedge fund worth billions. They will be sure to make a big profit out of this.

They know "trickle-down economics" doesn't work in the way they pretend it does, it just helps rich people get richer at the expense of the poor. Economists have been debunking it for ever, Keynes knew it didn't work, Galbraith knew it, anyone with half a brain knows it.

Yes and no. She was explicit about what she wanted to do, but nowhere in the world has anyone been dumb enough to combine 80's fantasy Wall Street Raeganism with a simultaneous hit on ordinary families. Absolutely madness. The point of trickledown economics (bullshit anyway) is that you let the confidence trickle down THEN you hike interest rates.

Imho the woman is a gibbering idiot, and Kwarteng with her. One or preferably both should be gone by conference.

Yes the Tory party conference should be interesting.

Yep, and I'd bet my house that a fair few of them didn't like the idea of the UK being led by someone with brown skin.

It isn't @Buttonjugs. The Tory party have systematically destroyed Britain's economy through arrogance and incompetence: Austerity, Brexit, Whatever the fuck this is.🤯 However, due to their corruption, they've made themselves and their rich mates richer.

That's all they're about now.🤷‍♀️

How can you possibly be surprised? This is what Tories vote for, full stop. They voted for Boris knowing full well he is a liar and a thief, only concerned with lining the pockets of him and his friends. Maybe Sunak would have been a less bad choice but the philosophy is fundamentally the same - steal from the poor to give to myself.

No idea why working class people ever vote Tory. I guess the same reason that so many women love patriarchy; for many people the reality that they are being systematically abused by a ruling elite is just too depressing to face - they would rather think that even less fortunate people deserve their circumstances because that allows them to believe they have some control over their own.

Didn’t Badenoch poll well with the members?

The trouble is that all the moderate tories, probably the more intellectual ones too, have been pushed out since Brexit.

I stopped voting for them after that. My husband still does, but gave up his membership a year ago.

am pretty sure her and Kwasi know that the Tory government is on its last legs so are doing everything they can to line their pockets before they go. Vile

I wish people wouldn't say nonsense like this. It just makes them look crazed with fanatical prejudice.

I think Liz and Kwasi are an utter disaster. But its pretty clear that they are driven by a political and economic ideology. See the book. They genuinely believed what they were doing was the right thing. Their ideological beliefs meant they dismissed the concerns of others. The current shitshow illustrates the dangers of ideological, rather than evidence based, decision making. A bit like calling people vile pocket liners when the evidence, including an actual book they authored, shows they were motivated by something else entirely.

By the way, as @ARoyalSubject I expect this is difficult for you to understand because you believe in the concept of some people (eg royalty) being naturally entitled to rule over and exploit others simply because of the family they were born into.

Choose to subjugate yourself if you like, but don’t be surprised when your masters aren’t as benevolent as you assumed.

High earners have litte to gain from voting Tory. I'm considered a high earner and the £100 of tax cuts a month I was given on Friday will be matched with a £600 rise in my mortgage in 2025! I've also spent the last 12 years seeing my taxes rise and child benefit stopped in return for diddly squat and a flatlining economy.

The only people I have seen benefit in the past 12 years are older people who bought their homes before around 2003. The Government has bent over backwards for these people, at everyone else's expense.

Yep, this.

She was very open about what she was planning to do, and others (like Rishi Sunak) were clear in spelling out the likely implications.

The Tory membership decided to vote for her anyway, so one can only presume that this is what they wanted.

It has been a steady slope downhill to this crash though. Conservatives votes in, Brexit voted in, a population who thought Boris was a ‘character’.

Many more people are responsible for this mess through their voting.

How can you watch the same people steal from the public time and time again and still believe they have the best of intentions? Some people are evil, lying bastards. Why deny it?

Absolutely. Sunak was the wrong colour for many of them.

For those who want to read what Sunak predicted about Truss etc. This was written back in August and relates to what Sunak had already been saying by that point...

(Question to @Redatnight )

I think people are projecting their own views here as if that were the case Badenoch wouldn’t have done so well in the member polls

Quite!

I'm 67, have voted in every general and local election since I was old enough to vote, and I've never voted Tory in my life.

I've always known they're bunch of self-serving shits who are only interested in enriching themselves and their cronies.

We need a general election before Truss destroys the UK

Well that’s pretty accurate - could you link the source? Thanks