Liz Truss - why didn't we realise?

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Turn the clock back a month, and we knew she was stupid, and that more than likely she was the wrong choice for a sensible, responsible prime minister - but did people join the dots and realise that she was such an ideologue / so in thrall to ideologues?

AIBU to say that the media didn't spell out exactly what a Truss premiership meant?

She and Kwazi have written a book on exactly what's happening now for god's sake! Why wasn't the possibility they would act on it examined in more detail?

I'm not a member of the Tory party - did they realise what they were voting for?

It was obvious post-Brexit that the Tory party was going this way.

Even Rishi said this would happen under her plans.

This.

I think we did realise. People either wanted her policies or were not Tory members and could not vote.

I’m not from the UK and I knew this is what she was going to do- she was very upfront about the fact. Rishi Sunak even made statements discrediting her plan. Everyone was aware.

I have no idea why people are surprised.

In fairness to her, she said she was going to do it and has done. The fact that people didn't think she meant it is a reflection on the previous administration.

(No I do not support her ideas at all, but those that voted for her can hardly claim surprise)

Boris was still very popular with the tory party members..

Does anyone ever get sick of reading this abusive language about politicians/people in the public eye?

Would you call someone at work "stupid"?

Can't people make an attempt to be a little more polite when making their grievances felt? It makes so many of us switch off when there might otherwise be a good point being made.

It didn't matter what "we" did or didn't know, we had no say in it

Exactly this.

My stereotype is ladies of a certain age who voted for Brexit and thought Boris was a nice young man (at least where I live, which was one of the safest Tory seats in the country, though the demographic is shifting slightly).

@AchatAVendre completely agree, well said.

I see you've met my MIL

It is a bit worrying though isn't it? Hitler said what he was going to do, and did it.

And the Tory members fall into the same trap with Truss. And NO I am not saying Truss is like Hitler, nothing like, but the principle is the same - if someone tells you who they are, believe them.

Would you call someone at work "stupid"?

OP didn't call her stupid to her face, she referred to her as stupid. I might refer to a coleague as stupid, if they were really stupid.

Run on the pound, IMF releasing unprecidented warnings that UK economy could tank, massive hikes in rates markets are charging to service government debt, refusal to allow the OBR to actually predict the outcome of the mini-Budget, every economics minister in the developed world openly worrying that a depression or debt default in the UK will tank the world economy.

At what point would OP be allowed to think Liz Truss is stupid?

I know people will think this is harsh but this is what you get when you elect a Management Accountant and an Economic Historian to run an economy. Both think they know a lot more about economics than they really do.

I'm not having a go at management accountants by the way, I'm qualified in a similar profession myself. But I realise my qualification in no way prepares me for running a national economy!!

Most of us did know she was a bad choice but the extreme right wing Tory members voted her in to bring Tax cuts.
What even they did not expect was an uncosted immediate budget which was always going to cause a big negative reaction from the financial markets. It’s now going to be 8 weeks with further uncertainty which will make it worse until a proper plan is announced, hopefully.

Dont bet on any U turns they have an 80 seat majority some MPs may rebel but not enough

I think you can judge her right wing credentials for yourselves
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/italy-giorgia-meloni-prime-minister-ukraine-marine-le-pen-b2175779.html

A lot of people did realise, just they weren't able to do anything about it.

Rishi had the right approach, don't reduce taxation as the pound will plummet. However, this is not a headline the party wants to promote, so they go with the clown. Who goes against all logic and ploughs ahead with her actions.

Correct but it was more like 80,000.

It didn't matter what "we" did or didn't know, we had no say in it

Yes this. I think those who think Liz Truss is a disaster (and that includes me) should be fucking angry with those 81000 Tory party members. At least you could argue that there was a certain logic to elected MPs deciding who would be PM but giving those unelected members the power seems crazy to me.

But check out her views on what a woman and a family is. That message shorn of her other probably toxic views would go down a storm here.

twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1574251105940377607

We shouldn't ignore the fact that Tory voters (think old and rich) are getting exactly what they wanted. Tax cuts and higher interest rates on their savings. It's the rest of us getting stuffed.

The parliamentary party preferred Sunak. Truss got over the line because as the candidates were eliminated some MPs who'd supported one of her rivals threw their endorsement to Truss as it became clear that the party members would elect her. Whatever shortcomings Sunak has he warned about this and was consistent in doing so but it wasn't a message the party members wanted to hear.

It was literally all out there. Sunak's team were saying this was what was going to happen. Anyone - even the Tory party - could work out what was going to happen. These people are batshit ideologues. My mother - embarrassingly - is a local level Tory - and she said that at their group meeting this week, people were utterly utterly devastated - like properly mortified that they had been given this power and then used it like this.