Liz Truss - why didn't we realise?

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Turn the clock back a month, and we knew she was stupid, and that more than likely she was the wrong choice for a sensible, responsible prime minister - but did people join the dots and realise that she was such an ideologue / so in thrall to ideologues?

AIBU to say that the media didn't spell out exactly what a Truss premiership meant?

She and Kwazi have written a book on exactly what's happening now for god's sake! Why wasn't the possibility they would act on it examined in more detail?

I'm not a member of the Tory party - did they realise what they were voting for?

I don't understand why everyone is surprised that she has made decisions that benefit the very people that voted for her. She promised them she would do this, they voted her in , and now she has followed through on her promises. Why is this surprising to people ?

But the democratically elected party DIDN'T vote for her, it was the unelected party members.

But the democratically elected party could easily stop her. They are choosing not to.

But the democratically elected party could easily stop her. They are choosing not to.

I think it's early days. Parliament isn't even sitting at the moment, things could change when the MPs come back. I wonder why LT is lying so low?

Our democracy's a bit fucked isn't it?

The UK central bank is having to protect the UK economy from the actions of the UK government, whom hardly anybody in the UK could vote to choose and the elected representatives we did vote for have hardly been inside the Commons chamber for months.

And unless The Conservative Party also take action to protect the country from >checks notes< it's own PM, Chancellor and Cabinet we're stuck with these extremists for another two years.

Out of the last 11 weeks, Parliament has sat for just one week whilst the biggest financial crisis in the modern era had begun to unfold (2008 was a containable crisis that was saved by QE and low-interest rates against a world without a pandemic, war and a globalised economy). Pensions funds could have collapsed today FFS.

Truss has already played the Zelensky card, he's just tweeted that he had a long phone coversation with her this afternoon. Johnson famously ducked out of tough domestic situations with surprise visits to Ukraine, so perhaps Truss will go the whole hog soon.

Ooh @SleeplessInEngland do you think she's going to sign up to defend the Ukrainian motherland? Then she'd really get to drive a tank

She supported Remain at first but then when she got a sniff of promotion under Boris she changed to become a Brexit supporter and a loyal BJ devotee. Pure ambition imho. No solid values. Just as BJ used Brexit to promote his own career, so did she.

Is driving a tank through the U.K. economy not enough for her?!

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Clearly not!!

Sorry haven't RTFT but we all DID realise. The sensible MSM - Times, FT (if people don't know by now that the Mail and Telegraph are loons they're beyond help) called her out from the start. Her MPs called her out on the whole. It's the Tory party membership who were given good warning of who they were voting for and chose to do so anyway out of some schoolboy wet dream fantasy of getting Maggie again who should be thoroughly ashamed but won't be because they'll deludedly blame the whole fiasco on the "lefty' Bank of England, Remoaners, Babar the Elephant whoever ...

And the democratically elected party can't stop her - they're not sitting. Votes of no confidence are going in though ... they're screwed

Even the Telegraph are showing signs of being mystified. They don't like the IMF having words with us, very infra dig.

at age errr well let’s say over 50, I found for the first time how we get PM’s (not general election), was a bit miffed about Boris (that’s another post).

Do the general public realise how she was voted in? That you need to be a paid up Conservative Party member to vote for a PM in those circumstances.

you have to be a member for three months I believe before you are allowed to vote for a PM. (Put me right if I’m wrong)

my wonderings are, how many Conservative party members who voted for Liz Truss were not true members, wondered how long it would be before Boris was ousted, took a chance on joining and the appropriate time elapsing and had an opportunity to vote her in to make the Conservative unstable?

well That’s my opinion.

There was a hedge fund manager on Radio 4 today (might have been one of the ones in the meeting with KK today, didn’t catch his name) who said that although Truss is trying to emulate Thatcher’s policies, at least Maggie took a bit of time over it and tackled inflation before she started bringing in tax cuts!

my wonderings are, how many Conservative party members who voted for Liz Truss were not true members, wondered how long it would be before Boris was ousted, took a chance on joining and the appropriate time elapsing and had an opportunity to vote her in to make the Conservative unstable?

That's true but I guess they could only vote for the two candidates put forward by the Conservative MPs. If I were a Conservative MP who had supported Liz Truss I'd be feeling pretty uncomfortable right now. Mine did and if any of his supporters turn up on my doorstep at the next GE they'll be getting an earful.

That almost makes me hope that Truss manages to stay in long enough to implement her planned relaxation of immigration controls to give them what they actually voted for.

Was that Ray Dalio, founder of the Bridgewater hedge fund? He seemed remarkably sensible.

The UK central bank is having to protect the UK economy from the actions of the UK government

And all with tax payers money.

@Dreikanter I think it was. He explained things in a way a financial markets simpleton like me could understand!

I read that even if Liz and/or the Tories stay in power, they're basically setting themselves up to justify another austerity programme, making spending cuts that the poor, public services and the NHS will suffer from the most. So whether it's the Tories or Labour who win the next election, we're basically stuffed.

I hate that a few tory voters have done this to the whole country - justifying it because they want to pay less tax.

(of course, ultimately, those who voted tory and/or brexit in the first place have done this to the whole country).

It does feel as if it's Brexit that let all this in.

I'm told that Conservative Party members like Liz Truss because she kept trumpeting "Good news" about new trade deals after Brexit when everything else about Brexit was clearly a complete disaster for our country.

I recall one of her last interviews before the leadership vote she was absolutely clear that she would make decisions that would make her very unpopular with a lot of people but she was committed to doing it anyway.

Those who voted for her knew full well what they were getting.

Full of shit - remix

Did you miss that Truss was a Remainer like her heroine Thatcher?
We had a Leave PM. He ditched auaterity, embraced levelling up and investment in public services and significantly liberalised non EU immigration. He was driven out by bitter self righteous Remainers over a piece of cake. It was obvious he would be replaced by someone to his right but they couldn't acknowledge that as they were pretending he was far right. This is where such exaggeration gets you.