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Bloody hell, we are being governed by an idiot

559 replies

GreenLunchBox · 27/09/2022 21:01

Well, I knew that already, but every day she shocks me with the heights her deluded self-confidence goes to

Liz Truss had to be convinced to issue statement amid market turmoil after mini-budget

news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-had-to-be-convinced-to-issue-govt-statement-to-calm-markets-after-meeting-with-chancellor-12706352

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ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 28/09/2022 14:44

But the Tories can fit at least 2 more leadership contests in before a general election 😂😂😂

Only 2?!

We need a general election now😭Truss has to resign after this.

Minimalme · 28/09/2022 14:54

We showed autistic, low IQ 12 year old the clip of Truss eulogising about cheese.

He thought it was a funniest thing he has ever seen.

When we told him we had a new prime minister and it was Liz, he said "oh the cheese lady".

He knew she was a useless lump.

Heswipedright · 28/09/2022 14:55

MrAutumnal · 28/09/2022 14:30

The comments about charismatic leaders and the Labour Party are interesting. I don’t disagree but Liz Truss is the most boring and mundane public speaker ever.

Yes leadership is just that, inspiring others but let’s not select leaders based on extrovert bravado with no interrogation of policy. If the general public can’t see beyond who courts the media best we’re screwed.

If you can't get people to follow you then you're never going to lead. You don't have to be an expert. You have to be a leader. The captain of a team is not necessarily the best player (look at sports). The captain is the one who inspires confidence and chooses their team wisely.

LemonSwan · 28/09/2022 15:20

Interesting to go and read the daily mail comments. They are after Truss’ & cos head.

LemonSwan · 28/09/2022 15:24

There’s nothing wrong with Kier if he speaks plainly and clearly communicates their plan.

I recommend they stick to 3 key areas so they don’t confuse people. Economics, Health & something else (probably Education).

1dayatatime · 28/09/2022 15:25

Going on the past experience of Conservative PMs since Cameron resigned surely the best way for Truss to save her reputation is to trigger another leadership contest and then have someone even more shit than she is. So that then in comparison it makes her legacy and reputation look not that bad.

I mean it worked for Cameron, May and Johnson.

LemonSwan · 28/09/2022 15:26

You can’t possibly have done worse than this lot. My 5 month old would have done a better job - ie. done nothing.

MrAutumnal · 28/09/2022 15:27

@Heswipedright

Not disagreeing with the principle as I said in my post, although there has been a ton of research that ‘natural leaders’ displaying those sorts of characteristics aren’t always the most successful but I digress.

How the hell did Truss get elected if so. She’s about as charismatic as a cardboard box. She so has neither leadership ability nor is she an expert. Awesome.

Blossomtoes · 28/09/2022 17:00

LemonSwan · 28/09/2022 15:20

Interesting to go and read the daily mail comments. They are after Truss’ & cos head.

Thank God. At long bloody last.

scaredoff · 28/09/2022 17:07

mrsjohnnylawrence · 28/09/2022 07:02

Are they idiots or just liars lying about what they're really trying to achieve?

That's the terrifying part. They're both.

scaredoff · 28/09/2022 17:37

Honestly all those chastising about people voting the tories in are doing no one any favours. That was years ago, when labour was unelectable. In a time when we were still dealing with brexit, no one would say what they would do. Boris offerings were better; in at least that they were clear.

Labour was very clear what they would do. On Brexit, they would hold a people's vote on whether to proceed or not. On everything else - the economy, jobs, public services etc. they had extremely clear and costed plans. I'm not saying their approach (particularly to Brexit) was necessarily the right one, just that it was there as an option for people to vote for it they wanted. They weren't unelectable - they were simply one of the options, which people CHOSE not to elect. (There is of course a huge additional problem in how our first past the post electoral system forces people into a choice far more binary than can realistically represent their will).

The "unelectable" thing is just another way of saying: "Labour were proposing things that were beyond what most people were willing to consider, politically or intellectually". The problem with blaming Labour for that is that it's starting to look like people's inability to exercise that kind of political imagination is a huge problem that is going to fuck us forever (particularly wrt climate change) regardless of what the Labour party do. There is another way of looking at it, which is that people weren't able to face the fact, in 2019, that capitalism as we knew it is dying and is no longer able to provide the majority of citizens with a decent life and trust in the future, and that radical change of some kind is both necessary and inevitable. How many people are willing to face it now?

The thing about forgiving and moving on, in anything, is that it's dependent upon learning the lessons from the experience and moving on wiser. There's are serious problems here with much of the British electorate: they are ill-informed, and lack the will to get better informed. They are surrounded by a mainstream media which functions as a barely disgused propaganda outlet for the Tories, and lack the critical thinking faculties to challenge it. There is a current of underlying racism that makes them amenable to economically invalid arguments from the right.

When I read this stuff about Labour being unelectable in 2019 all I see is people wanting to let themselves off the hook of addressing any of these problems, and continue with the insistance that they should be able to lazily place their trust in who the media tells them to trust, and believe that things will be OK. As long as they keep doing that, they will continue to get the government they deserve.

Croque · 28/09/2022 17:38

Didn't Kwazi's ysed to date Amber Rudd?

Blossomtoes · 28/09/2022 17:42

Croque · 28/09/2022 17:38

Didn't Kwazi's ysed to date Amber Rudd?

Yes. And Truss.

Croque · 28/09/2022 17:44

Blossomtoes · 28/09/2022 17:42

Yes. And Truss.

Tbf I think Truss has dated a number of them!

mintywinter · 28/09/2022 18:02

It seems from what I read now that the Tories are planning to pay for this mess they made with cuts to public services. A sure fire vote winner Confused what on earth are they playing at?

vera99 · 28/09/2022 18:03

No need to suck up to wavering Tories who come with a raft of wants before they deign to hold their nose and vote Labour a landslide is coming after the storm and the waverers will be swept away like chaff in the wind. If they don't get the message after all this criminally royal fuck up by the Tories fuck em. Sorry, I'm not in a forgiving mood at the moment get with the programme or get out of the way.

scaredoff · 28/09/2022 18:11

There will be no landslide, not least because of Scotland. But for the first time I am having to admit that the Tories might not win. How they could fuck up so badly (and unnecessarily) to achieve that is mind boggling.

Blossomtoes · 28/09/2022 18:19

scaredoff · 28/09/2022 18:11

There will be no landslide, not least because of Scotland. But for the first time I am having to admit that the Tories might not win. How they could fuck up so badly (and unnecessarily) to achieve that is mind boggling.

The current 17 point poll lead would, if translated into votes in a general election, produce a landslide bigger than the Tories’ victory in 2019.

scaredoff · 28/09/2022 18:23

@Blossomtoes Where do you get that from?

Blossomtoes · 28/09/2022 18:29

scaredoff · 28/09/2022 18:23

@Blossomtoes Where do you get that from?

twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1574500957265838097

itsgettingweird · 28/09/2022 19:19

And then some buffoon like Boris will become party leader, because they'll tell another load of lies in the run up to an election, win and then carry on making money awhile bleating about how Labour have fucked it all up for them.

I'm not sure Johnson being party leader will win them a GE again.

Too many people got woken up (me included) during his reign.

Not only his lack of ability to tell the truth but what he was doing in the backdrop to covid.

I don't think (I hope they don't) people will fall for his centric buffoon act again.

He's a right wing bully. Not not as right as Truss

itsgettingweird · 28/09/2022 19:22

GottaGetOutofDairy · 28/09/2022 08:08

I think it will take a long time for people to forgive the Conservatives.

I think about this quite a bit. I grew up in the 90s and through that whole time there were parts of the country and society that held such hatred for the Tory party.

I used to think it odd and perhaps a bit unfair: afterall, by the time I was old enough to be aware of it, the people who had done most of the things they were angry about had left politics. Towards the end of the decade they weren't even in power. I could 'get' why people didn't just listen to each party's manifesto and pick the one that suited them the best. Choosing fresh each time based on the current promises etc.

I never got it.

I am now a lot older and have seen the last 12 years firsthand. I get it now. Rightly or wrongly, it'll take a number of loooong years before I get forget what I've seen this crowd of fuckers do and I feel like forgiveness may be beyond me.

Absolutely this.

Especially in my situation where we are a Tory stronghold and are a fairly affluent area and county on the whole. That has meant we haven't seen as much the true effects of Tory policy because we've always had Tory arselickers as MPs who do tend to get a better deal.

itsgettingweird · 28/09/2022 19:23

Explaintome · 28/09/2022 08:36

I have to say Starmer has done very well the last couple of days. I've just listened to him on R4 and he talks a lot of sense and he is actually out there now.

I'm ethically slightly left of centre, but by no means a committed Labour voter. He has my attention now, whereas previously I was slightly disappointed that Labour weren't making more headway and that his profile was too low.

I listened and was also extremely impressed.

Especially as I also thought the interviewer was unnecessarily hard on him re questioning and not listening to the answers in a way they have never been with any Tory PM the last few years.

Lalalolol · 28/09/2022 19:24

Croque · 28/09/2022 11:12

I always thought that she would ultimately be too dim to pull off a Depression but I guess she proved me wrong on that point. Rishi was not an example of loyalty or transparency but a million times better. He would have sailed into power if he had been the right colour for the party members to vote for him.

Rishi was not an example of loyalty or transparency but a million times better

And likes of Lizz and BoJo are great examples of loyalty and transparency??

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Trez1510 · 28/09/2022 20:37

@altmember

"Now brexit is done and dusted, conservatives will be haemorrhaging a lot of voters who only went that there because they were the only party committed to that."

Really interested in why you believe brexit is done and dusted? What about the NI Protocol?

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