Bloody hell, we are being governed by an idiot

[GreenLunchBox]

Well, I knew that already, but every day she shocks me with the heights her deluded self-confidence goes to

Liz Truss had to be convinced to issue statement amid market turmoil after mini-budget

news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-had-to-be-convinced-to-issue-govt-statement-to-calm-markets-after-meeting-with-chancellor-12706352

Bloody hell. The BoE have now stepped in to take over buying bonds in an attempt to calm the market.

Basically trying to save us from the actions of the government.

How fucking embarassing.

Fucking embarrassing is right.

Absolutely.

Despite the shit show that's going on... no sign of Truss. Where the hell is she?

Regardless of blame, it's not acceptable for the PM to hide during moments of national crisis.

The BOE have stepped in, thus proving to KK that the market is adjusting, so his decisions are fiiiiiine. 😡

Wish we could sack him & LT.

Reverse the tax cuts and give the energy companies windfall taxes to contribute towards energy costs.I honestly wish we still had There’s May back, she had some sense didn’t she?

Before Truss and Co announced the mini budget, she’d already messaged ‘I’m not scared of taking unpopular decisions’ thereby giving herself permission to not answer difficult questions about policy.

Honestly all those chastising about people voting the tories in are doing no one any favours. That was years ago, when labour was unelectable. In a time when we were still dealing with brexit, no one would say what they would do. Boris offerings were better; in at least that they were clear.

Now things have changed. We have an utter shit show. The tories have shown they don’t mind spending 60 billion when it’s to suit their mateys. So labours in.

As long as they clearly say what they are going to do; which looks like they now are then it’s a given.

I suggest those who want labour in spend their time promoting the policies and virtues of the party, rather than just trying to look down on people and call them turkeys voting for Xmas or whatever other rubbish slogan we have this time. Reverse psychology, fear tactics and social ostracism do not work - if anything they have the opposite effect and I thought we would have learnt that by now.

So this is what 'growth' looks like?

I don't agree. You don't think Kier Starmer is better than Liz Truss and Bo Jo?

Even Rishi Sunak was better than these two and warned decreasing tax would lead to devaluation of pound.
I think Kier has good ideas, want to nationise energy and also invest in renewables. At least he has personal integrity and decency which these two don't have at all. Don't we want decent people to lead our country? How can he be compared to these unethical human beings who have done not one good thing for other people?

Why people are so worried about change from Tory to Labour? How can it be worse?

@LemonSwan

What are you taking about, the Tories weren’t voted in ‘years ago’ - it was Dec 2019 (?) so not even 3 years ago. The only thing I ever read on MN is Labour bashing by Tory voters saying Labour are unelectable. They may have been whilst JC was in power but BoJo was voted in because of Brexit and its comical you’re now claiming people ‘knew what there were voting for’. Really? They knew how Brexit was going to play out did they?

...and still the pound is dropping.

They all need to get their bloody arses back into the HoC and start to fix this mess they've made!

@MrAutumnal

Well it was a dam sight clearer than labours offerings. We can argue about whether that was the case or not but the ballot results the proof in the pudding.

Hardly anyone is now saying labour are unelectable. I am suggesting everyone moved with the times and jumps on this opportunity rather than chastising previous decisions.

It’s your chance. Take it ffs

The problem with Labour is that they don't choose a leader well. They choose people who lack charisma, who lack charm, who lack inspiring ideas and who bore people to death. The importance of an inspiring leader is not to be underestimated (how Truss managed though, hell only knows). constitutioncenter.org/blog/the-debate-that-changed-the-world-of-politics

I had no issue with Boris. We (the collective we) got rid of him for throwing a few parties. FFS. How fucking morally perfect we are. Now we're in freefall and I'm not sure that we've a parachute.

I have never ever voted Conservative but I genuinely thought that Boris did well through the pandemic (or that's what it looked like). Media bias is a massive issue in the UK. Most people do not use multiple news sources as they simply have not got either the time or the inclination.

This will spiral.

Oh God, for the first time in decades, I think we actually need to take to the streets to make our feelings known.

They are such a bloody disaster, they need removing now.

I should think the discussion of scrapping environmental laws would also be interesting. It's indefensible and Charles is an environmentalist who knows his stuff

As well as tanking the economy Liz Truss seems to have upset the RSPB and the National Trust and others, which is quite an achievement.

Just think just over a week ago the national ire was directed at a couple of clist celebrities that were deemed to have jumped a queue to look at a coffin. We're not really a serious county anymore.

I had no issue with Boris. We (the collective we) got rid of him for throwing a few parties.

That wasn't why. He survived that. It was that he allowed a known sexual predator to remain in post, simply asking he "apologise" for assaulted two men at a party. He then lied, lied, lied about how much he knew of what had happened. Back and forth with the truth.

That was what toppled him in the end.

The way of the world is that people are inherently selfish (survival of the fittest). It has always been the case that the ruling classes are c. Not one of us is beyond reproach. There is some sort of idiotic expectation for politicians to be infallible. They're not, nor will they ever be. We need to actually start educating ourselves, listening to their manifestos, reading what they're writing, looking at their manifestos and looking deep into what they are saying. It's almost like most British people are stuck in an abusive relationship, with the government being the abuser and we're almost paralysed to leave the relationship.

The only way to entice someone out of an abusive relationship is protection and security and light at the end of the tunnel. Fear of the unknown is real and it's experienced by every single one of us.

But the Tories can fit at least 2 more leadership contests in before a general election

I also think that people don't trust their gut feelings anymore. There was something about Truss which gave me a fear response. She appears to me to be callous and cold. Sure enough, my gut instinct was right.

Why do they have to be World Leaders? Why can't they just be people that act in the best interests of all us other people. I have no idea why we can't be happy with all these policies they've nicked from the Green party (pre crappy current ideology taking over the proper green policies).
Just very bored with all this hyperbole and talking big without the reality of those promises ever being passed.
In my sector, care, there are not the attractive wages or conditions that should be there to attract more into the industry. We know this leads to bed blocking in hospitals that has the knock on effect of people not being able to get ambulances which cannot discharge patients into the hospital as no beds (or staff).
I'd settle for far less grand plans in favour of someone with a tiny iota of sense and a GCSE/O level Maths.

Corruption exists in every realm of society and that extends to politics.

It's sometimes a case of choosing the lesser of two evils.

People will starve this winter - have no doubt about that.

The comments about charismatic leaders and the Labour Party are interesting. I don’t disagree but Liz Truss is the most boring and mundane public speaker ever.

Yes leadership is just that, inspiring others but let’s not select leaders based on extrovert bravado with no interrogation of policy. If the general public can’t see beyond who courts the media best we’re screwed.

As many of us said repeatedly at the time