Labour would be even worse grrrr

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In the pub last night, rolling news headlines on the TV and we talked briefly about rising interest rates/falling pound.

One man trotted out the now tired line "Labour would be even worse".

"Why?" I said, "what is it that they would do less well?" He couldn't answer, as I find is often the case with people who are certain Labour would be worse. They can't tell me why.

They may be right, they are certainly entitled to that view, but surely to be so convinced about any opinion you must also have some idea of why that is?

This is a middle aged man, does an ordinary, low level management/sales job. He'd tell you himself, he's not particularly clever and he's not interested in/doesn't undertlstand politics or the economy and yet he's so convinced of this view. It was probably unfair of me to challenge him knowing he wouldn't have an argument, but there seem to be a lot like him and frankly it's scary. 12 years and still people are convinced Tory is the best answer, even if they don't know why.

FWIW he's a nice man with other attributes, an encyclopedic music knowledge and good company provided you don't try and talk about the news 😆

I was just about to mention the note!
And then there is the Party's swing to wokery. This is a Party which bans women from their annual gathering but still expects to get their vote. Under Labour the country ends up bankrupt and
regressing rapidly to pre suffragette times.

@SammyScrounge RTFT re the note. You are sadly another gullible victim of the right-wing press.

They clearly didn't know the crisis was coming. Gordon Brown went on the record saying he had "put an end to Tory Boom and Bust". It's not like no-one could see the crisis coming, tens of millions of people in America were being given mortgages they could never afford to pay off, and our financial sector was left far too exposed, we suffered a lot more than other similar countries as a result, and Brown had to bail out the banks which eventually lost him his job and gave us a Tory government.

Anyone can spend money on the NHS to make it better. It needed reform, not just more money spent on it. It is SO inefficient and wasteful. It really needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up but there are so many people wilfully blocking any reform as they are making too much money out of it as it stands. If you were building a new Health Service built for Britain as it is today, it would not look anything like the NHS.

If you were building a new Health Service built for Britain as it is today, it would not look anything like the NHS.

I am Intrigued. What do you imagine it would it look like ?

The big issues facing the NHS currently are not enough beds, not enough staff and a entirely seperate, and an almost entirely private, social care system that is on its knees.

Tired old arguments to be honest. I think we’d be worse off if the Tories had handled the 2008 crash - look what a mess they made when they did come in. And look at the mess they’ll be leaving for Labour.

Overly complicating public services is what makes them inefficient. When the NHS was properly funded, it was incredibly efficient. The data is there.
And if you think about it, it is more efficient to have everyone pay into one pot and in return get a health service. The US model does not work.

If you fund services properly, people have the space and time to concentrate on their jobs. If you keep chopping and changing, people get tired and make mistakes. It’s basic human nature which governments and economics overlook.

Lets not forget watermelon smiles, or tank top wearing bum boys.

Those who say ‘no-one could be worse than this lot’ are being no more constructive than the man the OP is complaining about.The prevailing MN view is still the Guardianista left who have no idea what real life is like for people outside their cosy world.

Why the name calling?

If you look closely at the evidence - things are better for those at the top under the Tories. Simply true. The Tories have blown their cover with this latest budget and very clearly have done what they always wanted to do, which is to give bungs to the rich using quasi economics. I am not sure how it would be at the least the same under a Labour government?

I very much have an idea which is why the Tories need to go.

The prevailing MN view is still the Guardianista left who have no idea what real life is like for people outside their cosy world.

@JangolinaPitt how is real life better for those people outside their cosy world under the Conservatives ? they might be due to get a 1p tax cut sometime in the spring, but won't inflation and rising interest rates wipe out any benefit ?

Fine, don’t trust Labour, it’s just boggling that you would post the insinuation that this makes the tories look like a better option? I can’t follow that train of logic at all, particularly in the midst of living with the evidence of Tory leadership right now.

Other political parties exist.

I disagree. ‘This lot’ are currently proving they’re simply not up to it and led by their own egos and personal opportunity.

You are biased by your own stereotyping.

The 31 millon people are going to benefit from the tax cut to the tune of about £14 a month. Which is nice, but when food inflation is around 10% and fuel bills are higher, petrol and diesel are higher, and interest rates suddenly make your debt or mortgage or rent higher, I think that £14 is going to be spread very thinly indeed.

I've not read the full thread and sure PP's have already covered this. But I sigh every time I hear this.

It was a historic practice between outgoing and incoming governments to leave notes in each department AS A JOKE.

It was just in this instance, the Tories decided to use a traditional good humoured jape between the two to try and create the narrative that Labour were not fiscally responsible and it stuck.

Which is why we keep hearing about it 12 years later and why people can't seem to see what's staring them in the face. The Tories have trashed the economy utterly and completely, there really is no money left now.

Do we have different definitions and standards for charisma? I present to you … Truss.

How can anyone still FEAR Labour's handling of the economy?

The Tories have made x2 of the biggest economic errors in history (choosing a 'hard' Brexit when other options were available and crashing the pound with their borrowing budget).

The cost of the BoE intervention was £65 billion!

Cold War Steve as ever on a roll...

Wasn't that a long standing "joke" going back to the 1920s, where the exiting minister says to the new one "theres no money etc"

Even if it wasn't and it was a bad taste joke, clearly it was a joke as the UK has billions coming in everyday in tax, so isn't about to run out of money.

GDP to debt ration was 67% in 2010, its now almost 100%... thats scary and no joke.

Wasn't that a long standing "joke" going back to the 1920s, where the exiting minister says to the new one "theres no money etc"

it was. In retrospect that was the first parliamentary convention the tories pissed all over.

It started in 1964 with the Tory Chancellor, Reginald Maudling. Every chancellor between then and 2010 did it. Cameron’s government disingenuously used it as political capital.