To think Starmer is starting to show some original ideas?

[CurseOfBigness]

“He pledges to set up a publicly-owned green energy company within a year if he is elected, with 100% clean power by 2030”

Sounds enterprising and different to the bog standard ‘we’re going to nationalise everything’. There’s agency with it being green energy and good for the environment. Sounds more like responsible nationalisation…

“He says the war in Ukraine was the spark that caused rising energy costs, but that the country was not in a position to deal with it.”

And that’s insightful. Sounds like he’s thought something through.

Being reported Live from Labour conference: www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63042145

P.S. I’m a centric voter who swings and sways depending on what’s going on at the time and what’s on offer etc.
Right now, I do not like Truss’ government because she seems irresponsible (dodging the OBR report for the mini budget with semantics) and she just doesn’t care…
Labour as the obvious opposition but there are other options. This is the first time in a while I’ve seen Starmer present a fresh new idea…

i Don’t care if labour or the Tories get it, as long as it’s a party that will safeguard women and childrens rights and safety.

When city traders who will benefit from the 45% tax cut are saying the economy isn’t safe with the Tories and are switching their votes I think we can safely discount your deluded ramblings.

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ThevTories have sunk the economy that is true, I’m sure labour and anyone else could do better. At the moment , what I want to know is what are labours other policies with respect to safeguarding women’s rights, it’s possible to think that the economy is vital and women’s rights are vital at the same time

Electoral Calculus have crunched the You Government 33 point lead and Labour win 485 seat majority with the Tories getting 3 seats and Snp official opposition on 51. Bye bye Tories dead and buried.

People don't really understand that we are where we are now due to fundamentals. It's nothing really to do with immediate policy.

The recent mini budget was a trigger for the markets to look at the fundamentals and say no. But the fundamentals haven't changed much due to the mini budget (in fact the main consequence is the heating subsidy which is the biggest cost but no one seems to go on about that for some mysterious reason). They are still the same in spite of it.

It doesn't matter who is in power, the markets are going to spank them. If you think the markets are going to look any more favourably at Starmer shovelling money into the welfare state than they do at Truss shovelling money to the rich then you are living in a dreamland. Whoever ends up in power after Truss is going to have some pretty tough decisions to make because the markets will pin them down.

All the political shills are trying to blame the new budget for what is going on. But the real blame is 20 years worth of government policy that instead of keeping a lid on borrowing and making sure it didn't get out of control for the inevitable interest rate rises that have been coming and are now here, they encouraged borrowing and celebrated high house prices, effectively ensuring that when the day of reckoning (now) came then everyone would be overleveraged and completely stuffed.

My guess is that whoever gets elected in the next election is going to have one hell of a rough ride and is probably going to be unelectable for the next 20 years.

Women’s rights encompass every issue on the political spectrum. What use are narrowly focussed rights when the entire economy implodes? When the economy’s on the floor it’s predominantly women who suffer - they go without to feed their kids, poverty leads to an increase in domestic violence. Nobody cares about toilets if they’re starving or having seven shades of shit beaten out of them.

Thats the politics of despair and probably an environment of economic collapse. People need to have hope

@Vera99

Quite possibly.

At some point though hope always gets introduced to reality.

Absolutely in agreement.

@GasPanic Starmer’s approach seems to be more thorough and forensic in his assessments than Truss, who carries on regardless because of her “beliefs”.

I do think Starmer has more credibility and integrity. His background in law means he’s evidenced based and thoughtful. I can’t imagine he would have gone ahead with a mini-budget without consulting the OBR for scrutiny and a report.

Truss bases her economic policy on ideology and belief. She’s gambling. This is a big problem. She needs real help.

I do feel sorry for Truss. One day she’ll look back on this period of life with great embarrassment. Question is: will she feel any guilt for the lives that may be destroyed for her beliefs?

If not, then she’s no better than a crazy cult leader, is she?

@GasPanic and @vera99

Hope (even as an abstract notion and emotion) may be more useful to economic growth than Truss’ policies. Hope is soft power for growth.

One day she’ll look back on this period of life with great embarrassment.

No she won’t. You or I would, not her. She’ll be bitter and incandescent that she paid the political price for her arrogance and blind self belief. It will be everyone else’s fault for the rest of her life. She’s a psychopath.

I don't think she's capable of that level of self reflection.

Maybe that’s where the rest of us are going wrong in our lives?

We need to be less reflective and more ruthless in order to do better. That’s how Truss has got to her prime minister role, isn’t it?

How many of those traders profiting from shorting the pound at the detriment to everyone else will take a moment to be self-reflective?! If they’re British and shorting their own country’s currency (safe in the knowledge they’ve got investments secured in other currencies available to them) are they not traitors betraying their own for a quick buck?

Undeserved good fortune.

Balance is needed…

@GasPanic Labour wont be in Govt for another 2 years, by then the Tories will have at least started to repair the damage they have done, whether they can pull back a 33pt lead is another matter.

Truss never did her sums or showed her working, both in the irresponsible energy cap and then topped with £60bn in unfunded tax cuts thats what spooked the markets.

People also forget that even with her stupid untargeted cap, we will still see a doubling in energy bills from last winter & perhaps more importantly, what happens in 18months time when gas is still cut off by Russia? borrow another 160bn ???

Labour wont be in Govt for another 2 years, by then the Tories will have at least started to repair the damage they have done

I’m much more optimistic than you. They have no intention of repairing the damage and I can’t see them lasting much beyond the spring. Truss’ own MPs (very few of whom wanted her in the first place) are sounding pretty rebellious already.

Maybe but whilst Truss wont last (i give it til xmas) the Tories wont go to the Polls as they are v negative, so will wait until they have too.

They are already trying to correct things, obr meeting and i bet there is roll back on budget measures too, far to many Tories getting hit with pensions, investments and housing.

Is it possible, with a 74 seat majority, could the Tories extend their 5 year term? i wouldn't put it past them.