To think Starmer is starting to show some original ideas?

[CurseOfBigness]

“He pledges to set up a publicly-owned green energy company within a year if he is elected, with 100% clean power by 2030”

Sounds enterprising and different to the bog standard ‘we’re going to nationalise everything’. There’s agency with it being green energy and good for the environment. Sounds more like responsible nationalisation…

“He says the war in Ukraine was the spark that caused rising energy costs, but that the country was not in a position to deal with it.”

And that’s insightful. Sounds like he’s thought something through.

Being reported Live from Labour conference: www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63042145

P.S. I’m a centric voter who swings and sways depending on what’s going on at the time and what’s on offer etc.
Right now, I do not like Truss’ government because she seems irresponsible (dodging the OBR report for the mini budget with semantics) and she just doesn’t care…
Labour as the obvious opposition but there are other options. This is the first time in a while I’ve seen Starmer present a fresh new idea…

No but its impossible to discuss with posters whose sole intention isn't to debate the issues but to blame Labour for 12 years of the removal of womens rights, from police misogyny to TW in womens prisons to closure of DV refuge's..

But instead of asking why the Tory party have done this, you mouth "say goodbye to childrens safe guarding..... its been a fuckin stella success under the tories hasn't it? How many children tortured to death?

Its also a thread about Labours new ideas, so perhaps if you feel so strongly about it, start a thread on Labours TW 's issues, instead of hijacking this one.

Why don’t you set out labours green policy instead of telling us to look it up, is this more educate yourself

I thought was unclear and found it hard to get his policies across. His ability as a politician is unrelated to his previous jobs as it’s a different set of skills. I don’t think he’s a ‘weak man’ as you have put (sounds a bit personal) but whether or not arguments made are strong.

I don’t actually need charisma but I am reticent about a few things. I did initially feel really pleased about the green approach - it sounded very positive

But I do need more information about it and will keep listening to various speakers

I understand people are excited about Labour winning at the GE and that’s fine I just hope they are right.

I am also still concerned about women’s rights although I know this does not go down well.

No, expressing an opinion isn't hijacking, it's expressing an opinion. But , of course, everyone who disagrees with you belongs to CHQ.
And, while we're at it. Labour is still committed to amending the GRA and allowing Self ID. So, no thanks.

If the rights of men were being threatened it would be a number one issue. And you can’t complain if the thread doesn’t go the way you wanted. I’d love to vote Labour but not at the moment

And this is why labour is losing women, which is a massive feat given what a shit show the Tories are at the moment

But you are assuming Labour are losing women's votes. Younger women voters are often very supportive of trans rights and may well support Labour because they are seen to be more active on this front. Not all women voters are gender critical or see Labour's stance as an issue.

Even young women are aware Labour have never had a female leader, that speaks volumes.

Many young women are also waking up to the cold reality of their spaces being given away to men. My teen dds are massively into trans rights but lately have become jaded by the anti women narrative.

They are cottoning on to what it really means.

i can’t get past the gaslighting of the “most oppressed people” narrative coming from the left to shut down anyone with a valid concern.

when were trans people put side by side with abused and controlled women or children who have been the victims of childhood sexual abuse for the purposes Of assessing who has the worst mental health, highest rates of self harm, alcohol and substance dependency, anxiety and depression? when was the fucking contest that crowned trans people winners of the oppression Olympics?

Because these women and children are the groups fucked over when there are no single sex services, the ones who are accused of weaponising their trauma and hurting the feelings of men who say they’re women.
Why do they think that if they scald people speaking up for these groups and say with authority they they are not as badly off as any trans person that it will be taken as fact?

I don’t trust them.

Telling people what they want to hear doubt most of it would come to fruition

no

But you are assuming Labour are losing women's votes

they are

but at no point has anyone said they are losing every womans vote or indeed many of them

Even the briefest visit to a refuge anywhere in this country would tell you MEN in any form are not the most oppressed in society.

I will vote for any party that can guarantee my rights, spaces, biology and will not compromise my safety on hospital wards or slash my dds chance of competing in her sport nationally without having to go up against men.

I will vote for any party that pours money into refuges, children's mental health and excellent affordable childcare.

I will vote for any party that recognises I am a woman - as ridiculous as it sounds that commits a 110% to getting rape convictions at least to their previous levels if not much higher. That stops women being on trial for rape rather than the perpetrators.

I will never ever vote for a party that refuses to even recognise me. That renders me invisible and my rights become obsolete. Labour can promise the whole fucking world - but until they recognise this they have no chance with 51% of the ‘invisible’ electorate.

I imagine they're also aware of the poor quality of the recent female Conservative leadership.

Well it looks as though the posters who deem #knowing what a woman is# more important than any aspect of policy have succeeded in taking over yet another thread.

How ridiculous. The snake will eat its own tail while they waffle on about issues the current government have yet to tackle, and in the meantime we will all lose our homes and pensioners will be dying of hunger and cold.

Nice speech.

Odd though because you whole heartedly support the Tories, even their most recent attempt to ruin the country is perfectly ok by you.

The new dept cost cutting is going effect the rich? no men? nope, Women? most definitely.

All perfectly avoidable.

But what really pisses you off is Labour are way ahead in the polls and as we approach an GE, they are coming out with decent ideas.

Thats what really gets you going isn't it? Womens rights? you couldn't care less.

I feel you don't really want to face up to the short comings of voting for the current for Labour Party Ilovesooty and this issue is only going to amplify on the coming months.

The problem starts and finishes with Labour donors - and that is precisely why they suddenly don’t know what a woman is.

Quite why any female Labour MP would agree to this insanity is questionable at best. Why should we trust them? They don’t even recognise us Sooty.

Yes I support women being leaders and PM. That is why I am willing to withhold judgement and see how things pan out. Despite the hysterical screeching - many economists are confident Truss’ plan could work. So I am going to wait and see thanks. Labour have been unelectable for years.

I come from generations of Labour supporters and as a result - like many people - I am a swing voter, I am not tribal. I have an open mind. However as a woman and a mother of girls I am not prepared to sell them down the river and have them erased.

Thanks all the same.

Despite the hysterical screeching - many economists are confident Truss’ plan could work. This is hilarious, genuinely mad to think any opinion an outlying economist holds is relevant in the light of what is actually happening on the markets.

It is not hysterical screeching, it is just something that is happening, it is reality.

I disagree - markets will settle. This will be a non story next week.

I think that's increfiblh naive, and we'll see.

*incredibly

Apart from Minford who is widely discredited and is pretty much wrong all of the time, who are these economists?

Lol!
No they won't, the fundamentals of UK borrowing aren't going to change and neither are bond yields, Govt borrowing costs and the small fact no one yesterday wanted to buy Govt debt - too risky, bonds halved in value.

So the BoE had to step in to buy bonds, unprecedented, not even done in 2008, its as if Putin himself is our Chancellor.

This will effect mortgages house prices and perhaps most importantly rent prices for perhaps years to come.

Now we have Govt spending cuts, effecting (as per usual) the very women and children you claim you wish to protect.