To think Starmer is starting to show some original ideas?

[CurseOfBigness]

“He pledges to set up a publicly-owned green energy company within a year if he is elected, with 100% clean power by 2030”

Sounds enterprising and different to the bog standard ‘we’re going to nationalise everything’. There’s agency with it being green energy and good for the environment. Sounds more like responsible nationalisation…

“He says the war in Ukraine was the spark that caused rising energy costs, but that the country was not in a position to deal with it.”

And that’s insightful. Sounds like he’s thought something through.

Being reported Live from Labour conference: www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63042145

P.S. I’m a centric voter who swings and sways depending on what’s going on at the time and what’s on offer etc.
Right now, I do not like Truss’ government because she seems irresponsible (dodging the OBR report for the mini budget with semantics) and she just doesn’t care…
Labour as the obvious opposition but there are other options. This is the first time in a while I’ve seen Starmer present a fresh new idea…

He's controlled opposition. Tory plant. Can't stand him.

He didn't sack Sam Tarry for being on a picket line ffs! 🤦‍♀️. Stop peddling this Daily Express shit.
Tarry was sacked because he took it upon himself to declare what he thought Labour policy should be while being interviewed by the media. He had no place to do that, and he undermined the leadership by doing so.

Lesbians have been banned from conference?
Not my experience.

Oh shit. So you're race baiting now?
Hope the Tory Party gives you the safe solution you're looking for.

But her vote is equal to yours.

I know, right?
Starmer is the hateful enemy here.
If only we could have a Tory government forever, cos they're massive on women's issues.

That’s like saying Truss is a Labour plant. Seems to be the only explanation for why she’d be prepared to be “unpopular” as leader of the conservatives. And follow through to unpopularity…. By crashing the pound within a week!

We know it’s far fetched and probably not true. But who knows?

This was the best speech I have heard from Keir Starmer, I'm a Labour Party member & this is the most I have heard them sound like a party getting ready to govern. The Great British Energy idea is nothing short of Genius & if it takes off will be brilliant for this country, it will create jobs & stop us from importing energy from places like France, green energy could be a new industrial revolution for the country, it could be something that school & University leavers could aspire to work in & be a growth industry.

Agreed.

This!

The way people starting threads or talking eloquently about one or other side of the debate are accused of being plants or press is truly pathetic.

Presumably those who are incapable of formulating a decent argument or opinion can’t believe that there are other people who can, so they must be press or bots. Okayyyy.

As for the trans debate, there is a discussion to be had, but the reality is that there is no straightforward answer here. Gender issues are here to stay. But if something isn’t done how you identify is going to be irrelevant because you’re going to be financially fucked, but hey, as long as you can push the women’s rights issue which seemingly most people don’t care about in comparison then crack on.

Most governments across the world are coming up against this now. The NZ government are pushing towards puberty blockers being widely accepted, and yet people talk up Jasinda Arden as the next great pm, and what with her being a woman and all.

I’ve never voted labour or conservative, but at this point it’s a question of priority. And if you’re prepared to throw the economy to the tourists and plunge a significant proportion of society into further poverty over a discussion on the definition of a woman then that says more about you than anything else.

*economy under the bus

Exactly. HE can say what he wants but he can't speak the truth.

*“He says the war in Ukraine was the spark that caused rising energy costs, but that the country was not in a position to deal with it.”

And that’s insightful. Sounds like he’s thought something through.*

Good god, if people consider something that is so basic and blatantly obvious as 'insightful' from a political leader, the bar is set very low!

Rising energy bills ‘price worth paying’ for Ukraine support, says Liz Truss

He’s offering a solution. That’s a whole lot better than Truss’ solution that we simply accept the sacrifice.

Starmer is saying we can do both. Support Ukraine and also have a solution ourselves that doesn’t mean the UK people are being sacrificed in the process.

I am weirdly grateful for Liz Truss. As am now anticipating a big swing to Labour for the next election, enough to get Labour in government - we just needed an electable leader of the Labour Party. It's great that Kier is getting the recognition he deserves as a potentially great PM

I want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Surely you do too?

both in real life and politics you are never going to get that

i was disappointed in Kier when he started, mainly because even in interviews he didn’t really seem to be saying anything but hopefully he will come into his own. At the very least we need a strong opposition

and I completely agree re labour points and plans not being reported, obviously the same thing happens with lib dems etc and ive had to explain this to friends and family on many occasions

Actually while im here

yes I would agree that many people don’t seem to care about the womens rights issue compared to climate etc

but I would also say that some of these issues and there potential outcomes aren’t being reported by the media…as i said above

ALL the current issues with the loss of womens rights have occurred under the Tories - rape trials, domestic abuse, refuge's, low pay, childcare and perhaps most importantly, maternity services.

Labour have twice the number of women MPs than the Cons do and have many women who have campaigned for womens rights long before it became populist.

I listened to a R4 program yesterday on a women who has and IS currently being trafficked around the UK and has been raped 100s of times, the presenter thought over 1000 times, she isn't being helped... all this under the Tories.

buttheyknowwhatawomanis bollox.

@RufustheFloralmissingreindeer ”I want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Surely you do too?
**
both in real life and politics you are never going to get that”

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try. Goals and standards are good things to seek.

Maybe we can’t have ‘Perfect’ but ‘Good Enough’ will do just fine.

Hear hear. This ‘at least the Tories know what a woman is’ bullshit has become the latest lazy social media pot-shot in a half-arsed culture war. Ignores 99% of the complexity and nuance of the entire issue, and ignores the fact that the Tories have been dismantling and shooting holes in women’s rights and equalities on and off since before Thatcher.

What I want to know is what Labour are going to do about it. What are they going to do to protect women and children and keep women’s spaces and refuges single sex. Labour knows there’s a problem, deal with it don’t minimise it. If it’s so insignificant in the whole of the political landscape it should be easy.

Chances are (imo) that Labour are unlikely to win the general election anyway. They have a good chance, but the UK is largely conservative.

You're actually better off look at what the Conservatives say on the matter, if protection of women and children rights are really of most concern to you. Because conservatives been in power the past 12 years. The problems with women’s rights has come under them. It is their responsibility.

Go to where the power really is. Not where it might or might not be in the future.

Seems to me that Labour are only responding to a problem created by Conservatives.

I find it suspicious that are you not looking at the conservatives on this stance? What is their stance in your opinion?

Having been terrified of the Labour Party for years (thank you J corbyn) and pushed to vote conservative, I may actually consider labour again

^looking

sorry about typos