To think Starmer is starting to show some original ideas?

[CurseOfBigness]

“He pledges to set up a publicly-owned green energy company within a year if he is elected, with 100% clean power by 2030”

Sounds enterprising and different to the bog standard ‘we’re going to nationalise everything’. There’s agency with it being green energy and good for the environment. Sounds more like responsible nationalisation…

“He says the war in Ukraine was the spark that caused rising energy costs, but that the country was not in a position to deal with it.”

And that’s insightful. Sounds like he’s thought something through.

Being reported Live from Labour conference: www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63042145

P.S. I’m a centric voter who swings and sways depending on what’s going on at the time and what’s on offer etc.
Right now, I do not like Truss’ government because she seems irresponsible (dodging the OBR report for the mini budget with semantics) and she just doesn’t care…
Labour as the obvious opposition but there are other options. This is the first time in a while I’ve seen Starmer present a fresh new idea…

Starmer and originality is an oxymoron.

Well, I never EVER thought I'd say this in my lifetime but......

....as a life-long Tory voter, Starmer might just get my vote one day.

If he wants to catch votes from people like me (totally Tory in all my 60-odd years, didn't particularly have a problem with Boris or BREXIT, have grown up with a deep suspicion of Labour), he is going the right way about it.

Starmer gives the impression of thinking things through. Instead of just criticising the government (a total turn-off if ever there was one) he is giving sensible alternatives and costed-out solutions. I have listened to some of the interviews, and he comes across as balanced in his viewpoint, doesn't fudge the question, doesn't get rattled when the interviewer tries a trick question or two.

For the first time I see a Labour leader that I could relate to, that I would not be afraid to vote for.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but Liz Truss and her cronies have made some pretty shit decisions in the last few days. When the country is in crisis and ordinary folks are terrified that they won't be able to eat/heat or pay the mortgage, who the bloody hell would produce a mini budget which rewards high earners, removes bankers' bonus cap, and will send inflation shooting skywards? Fucking madness. I am shocked by the party I supposedly support.

I tell you, I am seriously considering changing my political alliances, and if I think this, there must be many others who also feel the same.....

Yeah, I can't wait for Kier to win the next election and save us all.

I agree, it feels like a long wait until the next GE though.

He was looking and sounding confident. It should have taken being under Johnson’s shadow but it is what it is and it’s the first time in a long time I felt he

just a bit of shuffling of his team , more sound bites (like them or not they work) and they can win

Im not sure how long Truss shall be around that is something to watch out for

The new fascist PM of Italy has strong words on that - most folk here wouldn't disagree in what she has to say about that. Chilling times indeed.

twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1574251105940377607

And you'd vote Tory who are after every right there is?

There's no point being GC in a ruined country. And I lean in that direction (but I'm exceedingly uncomfortable with whom GC women are prepared to be bedfellows with and its leading me to wonder).

At the next election the voters won't be voting on can a woman have a penis it won't resonate anywhere except fringey areas of the internet nor are the Labour Party going to spend any time arguing the toss as much as the Tories would like to smear and slur. Wasn't it a Tory after all that has transitioned and crashed his car drunkenly into a tree he doesn't appear to have been sanctioned by his party?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/11/tory-mp-jamie-wallis-banned-driving-failing-stop-crash

You can’t blame the public for not realising if the message has been intercepted by bots and a right wing press.

who fault is it then if they don’t do research for themselves? It’s not any secret about MSM being far right and bots

Can a woman have a penis might not be a voter issue for many but what will be played out is Starmers response. He needs to be more savvy with his answers.
come election time voters shall be reminded again and again of this he can change that

Labour always have more of an uphill battle they need to make them self as bullet proof as possible (that’s why they need to get rid of Rayner she can not handle being under pressure when being questioned)

I dislike Kier. He is Tory Lite and just waited for responses from others to Tory news and said what they said. I thoroughly believe that Labour would be in if someone else was in his position. Not sure who but Jess Phillips is quite the contender.

However, I listened to his speech in full today and he did win me over. I'm not labour but I would vote for him to get out of this mess.

And this is why we are fucked

do elaborate, exactly why he is ‘Tory lite’?

He was one of the finest barristers of his generation he knows it's an issue that may be if unprompted only .5% of the electorate really care about it when it comes to voting. He's savvy enough now not to get into any bear traps that might be constructed and rightly so.

I feel some vague political hope at last. Labour voting at conference to support PR and now the idea of GB Energy demonstrates that they are willing to take some real action that moves forward into to the future - putting climate change at the heart of policy along with a voting system not stuck in the past.

''@Fishandchipsupper
Yeah but no but what about women? Still no recognition of 51% of the population.''

What are you on about?

Most women care about the cost of living, utility bills, mortgages, clean energy, crime rates, housing issues, schools and the environment/climate change.

The majority of women are not terfs and don't spend their entire lives obsessing about a few transgender women who have no negative impact whatsoever on their daily lives.

100% - great to see this and I'm not even a traditional Labour voter, we need an election NOW.

I'm glad labour are taking environmental issues and green energy seriously. That will get my vote any day.

@Suprima how is what I've said why we are fucked? I think those in power caused it.

Tory Lite is the right side of labour. An example is sacking Sam Tarry for being on a picket line. He appeared to be trying to get Tory voters on side rather than investing in his own parties narrative.

Hope is back in town - edited highlights from the excellent JOE channel.

Starmer made it clear the Labour are now the party of the centre ground

we either move to the centre and have the real posibily of getting into power where changes can be made or stay to the left and keep
planning that for ever promised revolution 🙄

Well if you stopped the PR flattery of Kier Starmer, you’d have noticed that Gender Critical women have been banned from the Labour conference. Lesbians have been banned from the conference.

And Keir and Stella Creasey David Lamey and the rest of the hierarchy think that men can become women because of their feelings. When women object to losing their rights and voices and safety, when peodophiles can state that they are women and get housed in prisons where there’s a mother and baby unit and a teenage girl unit. And Labour think that the women who object to this erosion of women’s safety and rights means they are’Rights hoarding dinosaurs’.
Your media people who have started this thread need to report back to head office that Labour Is Losing Women.

@MeanderingGently ”Starmer gives the impression of thinking things through. Instead of just criticising the government (a total turn-off if ever there was one) he is giving sensible alternatives and costed-out solutions. I have listened to some of the interviews, and he comes across as balanced in his viewpoint, doesn't fudge the question, doesn't get rattled when the interviewer tries a trick question or two.”

Well, Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB KC was a successful lawyer before going into politics. He was the former Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) and Head of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS). So, I suspect his legal training has helped train him to learn how to think things through properly and deal with challenging questions before.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer

Impressive resume.

A publicly owned energy company. Yeah, he’s arrived.

Lame and pathetic. This the best he could come up with. He proves the saying that elections are for governments to lose.

Fascist? You should really look up what the word means. It looks silly when you use it without knowing the meaning.

It’s not a great idea. It’s an idea that 15 year olds come up with when they are doing a year 10 project. It’s an idea kids would send in to a Blue Peter competition because they watched the news recently.