To think this is why spaces should be kept single sex?

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This poor girl.

I've got three DDs I can't imagine how I'd be if this had happened to one of them.

Primark staff were helpful but say it's happened previously.

No shit, predators are of course going to prey on easy access semi clothed women.

We need to rise and revolt.

The vast majority of society dont see them as women. The vast majority of society are keeping their heads down, scared to say jack shit for fear of backlash. If ever anything proved their maleness, its the agression shown by the trans lobby if anybody dares to question their viewpoint.

The predatory men are the issue regardless. It was a personal attack.

Have no idea why my post was deleted.

Wrong think, it’s not allowed.

Young boys are more likely to be victims of pedophila than girls

Not true according to RAACE. 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 7 boys are sexually abused by the age of 18. www.raace.org/statistics-information. RAACE also cites that 40% of children under 12 are abused by minors.

Not true according to Screen and Reveal. Girls are 2-3 times more likely to be a victim. www.screenandreveal.com/pedophile-statistics/

Not true according to the NSPCC. In an NSPCC study, a group of 11-17 year old children were asked if they had ever been sexually abused. Of the children, who reported, 2.6% were boys and 7% were girls. learning.nspcc.org.uk/media/1710/statistics-briefing-child-sexual-abuse.pdf. The study also asked 18-24 year olds. 17.8% of women in that group said they had been sexually abused before the age of 18 and 24.1% of men.

The stats also state 80-90% of abusers of children are male. Stats overall state that 97-98% of sexual offenders offending against people of any age are male.

Right. So by having a blanket rule that would make it more difficult for the 25% to enter compared to saying "yes", it would make it less likely for a predatory man to take advantage, even if it's to the detriment of the other 75%.

Personal attack?

Oops 5.1% of men sexually abused before the age of 18. 24.1% is the overall percentage of people aged 18-24 reporting they’d been abused as a minor.

A lot of these posts come across as “boys will be boys” and because of that we have to have same sex changing rooms. Somewhat normalising the men’s behaviour. It seems to me to be a generational issue. It takes a sick individual to use unisex changing rooms to prey on women.

Im sick of trans people having to suffer because of something this is clearly a male problem. It was 2 men that took it upon themselves to just walk in without any care while this girl was changing. When are they going to take some responsibility. All these complaints about unisex toilets/changing rooms whatever, are 90% just men taking advantage.

I see this kind of sentiment so often and I despair. Trans-rights activism is the Trojan Horse that every fucking predator is hitching a lift on to sail into the hard-won single sex spaces. It may not be the fault of the trans community but it is certainly their responsibility and their deafening silence has made a TERF out of me.

The worst thing about the video is that even though something horrible had happened to her she felt the need to apologise and say she was in favour of everyone being included and feeling safe.

I nearly put a comment on the video on Twitter yesterday saying if Primark were going to persist with the policy they needed to ensure safety and privacy by having lockable doors rather than curtains. I deleted it because that isn’t safer is it? That just means women are in more danger of predators.

It’s not the first time something like this has happened, so although she said Primark had dealt with it well, they obviously haven’t made any improvements.

You're overegging it, mate. It was believable for a while because the serious people really do sound like that, but there does come a point.

I expect lots of posters remember the M&S threads about changing rooms. A lot of us wrote to them. Their stance was the doors are floor to ceiling, lockable. In reality, the doors are cheap and too heavy for the hinges, not to mention flimsy as hell. As a result, some of the doors sagged almost as soon as fitted on the hinges or were misaligned and couldn’t be locked. A lot more will be like this now 4 years on or warped. The accessible changing rooms just have curtains. This is without mentioning the voyeurism issue. Lockable does not equal safe.

I do indeed.

I also remember their lingerie review pages on their website, the contents of which were apparently moderated. They defied belief.

I don’t understand this response. My point is that single sex spaces won’t change predatory men putting cameras in changing rooms.

Yes, I’m sure mumsnet will clarify if you ask them.

My point is that single sex spaces won’t change predatory men putting cameras in changing rooms.

How will they put cameras in there if they can't get in?

Whats stopping them getting in?

I don't understand your responses either. The poster you responded to didn't say single sex spaces would stop it from happening, they said single sex spaces would make it less likely to happen. If there are two predatory man and one has free access to changing rooms with women and the other does not have free access to changing rooms with women then statistically, there is more chance for the first to do predatory behaviour to women than the second, who has less chance. This is primary school level logic.

Anyone not adhering to a blanket policy can be refused service.

I don’t think that’s true though. Theres absolutely nothing stopping a predatory man from entering a single sex space when nobody is looking. Or just going in anyway.

I can’t add a link but there is a song by mr menno called ‘in the ladies’
google it-it says everything there is to say about men (and they are men) overriding our rights as woman by being in womens spaces
its fucking scary how it’s being accepted as being normal-I do not want a man in a woman’s space-it should be private to us and us alone

as a side note,I’ve been sexually assaulted at work-all on the shop floor,6 times in 5 years (retail)
all by men (never women),who have done it before and just got braver as they don’t see they’ve done anything wrong
they will have started small and built up-police where worse than useless-they ‘had a word’ and left me feeling like shit for ‘making a fuss’
no arrests,no court-nothing,just told them not to do it again-case closed

being in a small space with unlimited access to women and girls would be their wet dream

If they’re caught.

Societal expectation and the weight of societal support that gives women power and support to challenge them if they try. Plus potential legal action. Worked well enough until people started eroding it.

Or it used to, anyway. Are you comfortable with the public erosion of women's expected cultural boundaries? You can't think of a single way that could go bad?

Do you lock your door when you go out? Why bother? What's stopping a burglar from breaking a window? Might as well make it easy for him.

You can think what you like is true, the majority of other people in this thread understand it, even if you don't (or pretend you don't).

In the past, a member of staff was always present fronting the changing rooms. I worked in a clothes shop in the 80s. No one went inside changing rooms back then without permission. M&S didn’t even have changing rooms back then! If all shops reintroduced this, costs would increase. However, it is possible.

Women can still challenge anyone they see fitting a camera in a changing room though.

And I'm Captain Kirk. Stop being an arse.