To think this is why spaces should be kept single sex?

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This poor girl.

I've got three DDs I can't imagine how I'd be if this had happened to one of them.

Primark staff were helpful but say it's happened previously.

No shit, predators are of course going to prey on easy access semi clothed women.

We need to rise and revolt.

Even with lockable doors there’s an excuse for people to be there. This happened to me back in January at a swimming pool when a naked bloke “accidentally” was stood out side his cubicle. I’ve not been back since

Why are you demanding that I justify someone else's post? If you've got an issue with that poster, take it up with her.

Is complete deflection all you've got now that the rest of your disingenuousness has been so thoroughly torn asunder?

I’m not the one being disingenuous here.

Good, solid answer!

And it's still not a great work around for those of certain religions either.

Those women are I don't know? Just not use cubicles. Shop at home, don't use the leisure centres etc I suppose. Not really a great solution.

By some peoples thinking how would the lockable cubicles prevent flashing, voyeurism or assault anyway? You know predators being determined and all, so why offer it as a solution. The logic doesn't work.

No? Well alright if you say so. I think most of us would disagree.

But lockable cubicles would prevent those things, wouldn’t they?

Would they?

@Pumperthepumper I'm still interested to know how your internal logic works by stating that single sex spaces wouldn't stop predators but lockable cubicles would.

As illustrated by this poster, the lock on her cubicle didn't prevent her from being subjected to flashing.

We'll, I'm not. I'm all for everyone using the changing facilities corresponding with their sex.

I do not want transwomen, genuine, nefarious or anywhere in between, in female spaces.

I think they would, certainly more than a curtain would, which is what the woman in the video had.

@Pumperthepumper I mean it was right there on the same page, in the quote of that post of mine you then quoted... but you're not the one being disingenuous right?

Yes, of course. All females are welcome in female spaces: even Mansfield fans 😚

What was? Have I missed something?

Ah, so you're saying it would be less likely to happen?

Ah, you mean this one. I did miss that, apologies.

No, the lockable cubical didn’t work then.

Yes. Or at least, I’m assuming so, since a door gives more protection than a curtain.

It's a bloody minefield! I have 2 friends who have had 'gender reassignments' from men to women & I feel totally comfortable discussing women's issues & changing around them. But if I was in a public changing room & a man in a dress came into my cubicle, I wouldn't be happy.
Yet again it's men oppressing women's rights. 😶

So you do understand the concept of reducing the likely hood of something happening then.

Funny that how you can understand now but couldn't grasp the exact same concept earlier when having it repeatedly explained that single sex spaces will greatly reduce the occurrences of flashing, voyeurism, assaults etc

I mean it's great to see in a way, hopefully shining a light on stuff like this can help others see how the arguments don't stand up under scrutiny.

Single sex spaces is the foundation that we need to get back to in order to build from. Unisex spaces is just allowing the door open a crack for predators to have an excuse for being there.

Start with single sex spaces, it's really the only sane answer.

Why wouldn’t unisex, individual cubicles with security work though?

What have you suddenly got against male, female and unisex? You claimed to be all for it earlier.

I don’t have anything against it. I’m asking why single sex would work better than lockable doors with security.

If you're in favour of single sex spaces, why are you trying to undermine them, with questions that have been answered at length several times already?

And why did you bring up trans people with me when I never mentioned them?

Because of religious reasons, because a woman has suffered trauma and all the other reasons GC people have already repeatedly stated.

Because having unisex spaces means penis in women only spaces.
That is just another way of saying, flashing/voyeurism or assault might happen occasionally but we are ok with those odds.

Because what happens when the guard goes on break, or isn't paying attention, is distracted, or just doesn't care.

Because what about the tiny hidden cameras you can get easily these days.

Because what about the times when a small, quiet, locked and private area is the last place you would want to be.

Because there is more safety in: Numbers of women, in women's only spaces even just with flimsy curtains.
Than: Male bodied people being allowed in women's spaces, regardless of the measures taken to ostensibly keep women safe.

Single sex spaces says that we are not ok with it happening at all, so penis doesn't belong in women only spaces

The above isn't an exhaustive list either. I'm sure there are other reasons that I could articulate if I sat and thought about it for, oh I don't now 2 seconds.

You say you're GC but are not understanding some foundational concepts apparently.

I recognise that posters name and I'm getting deja vu.