To hope that we welcome men fleeing Russia

[MindYourBeeswax]

Many are fleeing Putin's Press Gangs.
The EU Council President has recommended that the EU offer them asylum.

It must be bloody terrifying and, although we're not in the EU longer, I hope that this government follow his example and offer sanctuary as we have done for fleeing Ukrainians.

I know that they will be young men and not need to live with families in the same way that Ukrainian women and children did so although that would be ideal, it's not essential and hostels/hotels could be used.

Will you offer a home if asked? I can't but I would like to help in some way.
AIBU to hope that we will help these fleeing Russians?

Maybe this experienced and worldly politician is just stupid, mad and naive too with no grasp of the world situation

Or maybe, like so many politicians, he's just spouting whatever he thinks will get him the most favourable headlines without pausing to think the issue through - also in the knowledge he won't be the one picking up the pieces for whatever follows

I think you are either confused or misrepresenting this news story @MindYourBeeswax . I don't think the EU is going to do it, but in any case, this is just one person's opinion and let's be clear, he is not in charge and will not be making the decision. In any case, no decision has been made. So right now it is not happening.

I know who he is. I have done, and continue to do a lot of work with the Commission and pre Covid (although it’s getting back to normal again) I spend a reasonable amount is time in Brussels.

I just get why this is relevant here. There are many more leaders who haven’t suggested taking Russian men as refugees, who are just as relevant/irrelevant to us.

The UK should absolutely not blindly follow the example of Europe. Why would we do that without our own risk assessment and stress-testing for costs first.

If they enter here illegally, that’s an entirely separate problem isn’t it

Where is all this spare money coming from to vet these men and support them, please tell me.

Have you not noticed tax cuts from the government, and the rampant cost of living here.

And you want the taxpayer to pay for this.

Georgia is saying no, Lithuania no. Both flat no’s.

Why do you think that is?

Where were these 'conscientious' objectors when their country's army was shooting directly at a 3-year-old and 6-year-old? Where were they when their 6-year-old neighbour was murdered by Russian soldiers? I bet they sat back and did fuck-all, and now they're running away to save their own skin.

@KvotheTheBloodless This, with bells on. Where was the action and desertion when their mad fucking leader started this months ago? When their media was pushing out a very false and damaging narrative about Ukrainians? When their soldiers were raping women and children in the street? Russia has long used rape as a weapon of war, this is not new. No russian deserting now to save their own backs is welcome with me.

There will be no flow to the UK that we will need to control.

Yes. Thank you for saying that. It has been very irritating to have that happen to me on this thread, as it is never pleasant to be called 'stupid', naive' and as one odd poster said,' living in Martha's Vineyard'!
However, that particular Pp did seem quite agitated, and I had no idea what she meant.
Other personal remarks such as 'leftie' and 'you should belong to Labour' could never be taken as insults by me, even though they were intended to be so.
Others shouting, verbally jabbing, as it were with, 'Are you going to pay for them?'
Even when that was explained to them, they repeat it. Luckily, I look on that as the drunk in the pub or the back of the bus who yells out the same remark and then nods away, very pleased with themselves.

Anyway, we'll have to wait and see what Europe and the UK decide.

I very much appreciate your concern and whilst i'm against your idea, i also see why you'd suggest it, i just think you are wrong, i also doubt very much that whatever the EU might suggest, member states won't go along with it, as per usual, despite the Express headlines, sovereignty reigns in Europe.

We are basically at war with Russia, the young men in question are former Russian soldiers, many could have seen action in Chechnya or Syria and terrible crimes have committed against their peoples by the Russians, it is also a gift horse for Putin to get saboteurs into the UK/EU.

There is also the risk of violence between Ukrainians and Russians, we wouldn't be able to force them to stay in hostels or hotels or even have the means to do so even if we wished.

Genuine dissidents, as i said earlier, no problem at all.

LOL OP also says clearly 1/3 of poster here agree with this chap, completely ignoring the fact that 70% disagree with him.

😂😂

That’s one hell of a (non) confirmation bias to focus in on !

I haven't read the whole thread but my immediate thoughts are 1. why the UK as we are most of a continent away from Russia? and 2. why aren't the Russian people unifying together to overthrow Putin?

Will now read rest of thread for enlightenment.

Stop grouping Europe and the UK as one. Stop!

There is no reason to believe that even if some countries in the EU allow this (won’t matter what Charlie says, they’ll make their own decision) that this will in any way impact the UK.

You can pretty much guarantee that there will be no Russian defector settlement scheme funded off the public’s back.

Yes, it is generally the case that when nearly a third agree then two thirds don't.!

Did they not teach you that when you " were working with the Commission?"

Maybe they thought it was so obvious they didn't need to point it out to you.

The current government would not do this

Whether Labour would feel differently who knows

As a policy it’s not going to get public support right now. Things are heightened enough here as it is

Not to mention the Right wing bias and Homophobia that seems rampant in Russia

UK and Europe are one.

Yes there will be a Russian defector scheme, there always has been, its called the asylum application system, funded by the UK tax payer and any Russian, regardless of sex, will be able to apply and if successful be allowed to stay here legally.
Those who fail will also stay here as there is no means to return them to Russia and we have no agreement with the EU to return to first safe country... we did have such an agreement when in the EU, which is why, pre Brexit, very few came here across the channel.

I don't recall Russian men saying much or taking to the streets when their countrymen were raping Ukrainian women.
I don't let any men into my house that I don't know, I dislike it if the electrician the landlord sends is male so I absolutely would not have an unknown man in my house.

That's very interesting @walkingonsunshinekat

@MindYourBeeswax in my town we already have hotels full to the brim of people seeking asylum. It's already got to unsustainable levels. The final hotel to be filled is a huge 4* one. The men loiter around on the streets as they have nothing to do. Crime has gone up massively. What makes you think the Russians will have any less of a negative impact here than the men already left with nothing better to do.
The GPs are full. The dentists are full. The schools are full. Where will these men get healthcare from in an already failing system. What about food when food banks are struggling.
You must live in a nice area with no understanding of where these people actually end up and the consequences on local people. Not to mention the culture clashes against other people who also come from different countries.

I can't imagine the current Ukrainians enjoying the sound of Russians coming to stay en masse either.
Why don't they flee to Russian allied countries.

Why do WE need to 'welcome them?'

YABVU @MindYourBeeswax

You are spectacularly belligerent OP.
Almost entertaining.

30% of people agreeing is really nothing to get excited about and indicates broad disagreement within your snap poll.

Imagine when men are asked (Mumsnet tends to be mostly women), that 70 will massively increase.

Are you a ‘Russian bot’ by any other name posting in some capacity here?

Why don’t you go to Russia and bore Putin to death, that would be more helpful than your stupid ideas OP. You seem desperately keen on Russian men.

We need to stay out of it.

Of course they would!

They are letting in 5m HK right now, immigration both illegal and legal has rocketed under the Tories, exceeding anything Blair did, many of the east Europeans who came here under FOM have gone back - hence the worker shortage.

As for public support? they don't care about that, as recent events prove.

UK and Europe are not one. What on earth are you on about?

An asylum scheme is one thing, absolutely.

They have the same right to apply as any other asylum seeker. That’s really rather obvious and also not really where the OP was going with this.

This

It's not my idea! I approve of it and I asked what others thought.

Hello again, @Quincythequince Sigh! Yes! You've rumbled me. I am a Russian Bot. Something else they taught you when you were "working for the Commission"?