To hope that we welcome men fleeing Russia

[MindYourBeeswax]

Many are fleeing Putin's Press Gangs.
The EU Council President has recommended that the EU offer them asylum.

It must be bloody terrifying and, although we're not in the EU longer, I hope that this government follow his example and offer sanctuary as we have done for fleeing Ukrainians.

I know that they will be young men and not need to live with families in the same way that Ukrainian women and children did so although that would be ideal, it's not essential and hostels/hotels could be used.

Will you offer a home if asked? I can't but I would like to help in some way.
AIBU to hope that we will help these fleeing Russians?

Did they not teach me what?
You rather patronisingly described who CM was, as if us in here who disagree with you are idiots.

I then pointed out I had significant exposure to the EU and it’s bodies and so actually knew who he was.

What that has to do with you cherry picking and highlighting minimal support from your poll as if it more meaningful than it is, I’ll never know.

‘With commission’ ‘for commission’… think it’s you who can’t read OP.

We don’t want Russian defectors here in the UK. Women of MN overwhelmingly don’t and those numbers will massively increase when a wider poll including men is asked.

Stay mad!

Not having your "commission" experience, 😂 I had never heard of him until I read about his idea today.
I hazard a guess most other posters won't have done either. Do you think 50% of posters will have done? btw, that means even if 50% have heard of him, the other 50% won't.

Hope that helps you. Night night.

I don’t think so

Not a public type of move as I assume the op is talking about.

There’s no point in being hard line about it and causing Brexit out the other end then saying let’s take in Russian men fleeing.

Belarus would love to have them I’m sure.
Syria, maybe.

China even? Or maybe Iran, they still seem to like the Russians.

Could you trust Putin not to send spy's in the UK under the illusions of defectors? I certainly can't

Which will be why you are completely refusing to answer any questions about how much you are willing to pay, and what sort of accommodation we have spare?

Be honest here, you have no intention of laying a penny or doing anything else to actually help, have you? You just want to say it should happen and leave others to pay for it and organise it.

So then why do you patronisingly feel the need to explain how esteemed this fellow is, when you hadn’t heard of him until today?

Many other posters have also heard of him - or did you not notice the detail in some of their responses.

You assume we are all as ill-informed as you and you are also entirely ignorant about what this guy has achieved if you think he is worth listening to. And let’s also be clear, he absolutely won’t sway a large number of EU members to accept this either.

So stop banging on and go read a book and learn a little more about why so many places won’t want a load of Russians rocking up.

I don't always get what you mean and this is a case in point.

I don't agree with the OP or the Commission, i ve made that quite clear, equally leaving the EU has made us a soft touch for migrants wishing to avoid due process & that will include any Russians coming to UK, after all, we were laundering Putins ill gotten gains despite Georgia, Crimea, Salisbury or shooting down a western airliner.

This Govt has proved time and time again that they will do whatever they want and then lie to protect themselves and gain popularity, i'm not saying they would over this issue but i'm past being shocked by what they will do.

Gonna have some of these Russian men in your home are you @MindYourBeeswax ???

NO. Thought not.

Your towering arithmetic abilities are mind-blowing OP 😂

Stop being so ignorant. You were the one that mentioned a third agreeing with you, as though that backed your view, ignoring the 2/3 who disagreed.

I’m afraid I don’t know where you’re coming from either so leave it at that ;

But no they may be going through an unpopularity contest atm but even they won’t go against the public on this one. It’s not worth it. Fleeing Russians bring no advantages whatsoever

This!

But no they may be going through an unpopularity contest atm but even they won’t go against the public on this one. It’s not worth it. Fleeing Russians bring no advantages whatsoever

www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-britain-should-welcome-russians-fleeing-putin-s-war

Liz Truss's government has been trying hard to show that the UK’s support for Ukraine has not diminished since the departure of Boris Johnson. An openness to Russians looking for a way out of the new call-up would help send that message; it would also amplify the message to Russia about whose side it is on

The Spectator is a right of centre publication & we both might be wrong!

Of course we shouldn’t. They’re only fleeing now because they don’t want to fight and die, not because they disagree with Putin’s invasion or policies. The ones who genuinely opposed him are already dead or in jail. Most Russians support his ‘special military operation’ and believe that NATO backed them into a corner.

The whole ‘Russians are victims too’ thing is just propagated by the globalists so that they can go back to doing business with Russia as soon as Putin.is deposed.

There is so many points raised here that some people want to constantly deny or ignore. Saying the country is not full and we can accept more immigrants, what does that actually mean to you?

The UKs infrastructure is screwed. There is no more NHS dentists taking on patients more than half of all UK adults dont have a dentist. Ambulances are not going to emergencies because they cant they are stuck tied up in queues.

Hospitals are out of beds and staff and equipment as highlighted by the covid pandemic. Routine operations are not going ahead. Recent extreme weather has destroyed crops and raised prices of food, some of which is harder to come by.

Food banks are full to burst and are turning people away. Homelessness is at crisis point when even families with babies are sleeping in hostels and bedsits for months and street sleepers are increasing.

We are in a fuel crisis and a cost of living crisis and schools are over subscribed. Hostels and hotels are full of immigrants some of whom arrived here years ago and still havent been moved to permanent homes.

Russia absolutely will send criminals and spies in with genuine people and you will not tell the difference. There will be dangerous tension between the Ukrainian refugees already here.

Also where do they go? Unfortunately councils have a very nasty habit of putting people all together in one area causing huge long term problems. Look at run down areas rife with poverty because the council turned a building into a half way house for prison leavers, turned houses into bedsits and took away viable job opportunities for people in these post codes. Thats exactly what would happen again.

That coupled with the fact people like op are very happy to just announce raise our taxes we can fund it that way.

I’ve written to MP, lobbied companies, volunteered, have subscriptions set up with various charities E.g. amnesty international, I educate, I try to buy ethically, I try to not waste resources.

I don’t give gifts or ask for gifts for Christmas/birthdays and instead ask for unicef or charity donations.

I wrote about it here.

I’m not at a season of my life that I can go abroad and volunteer, but I do what I can from where I am.

It isn’t enough at all.

Just no. We are welcoming non combatant Ukrainians and that is quite right. If young Russian men have now (when facing conscription, not before) decided they don't like what Putin is doing, they need to stay and protest in any way they can (and I'm not saying that is safe, or easy)

This is not the Vietnam war and we are not Canada. We have no way of knowing who will be among them, for a start. I would be quite happy to have refugees from the Taliban and all sorts of other people of many races who are fleeing conflict, but there has to be a line somewhere and frankly, this is it for me.

So on the exact day when Putin decides to call up reservists, hundreds of Russian males of fighting age simultaneously decide that they hate the regime so much that they want to flee (even though it didn’t seem to bother them before) and you “really don’t know”.

Are people really this dim?

Dissidents ought to be eligible for asylum, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for those who only got cold feet about the war when it looked like they might be sent to the front.

Should we let tens (hundreds) of thousands of trained battle-hardened Russian soldiers into Europe/UK whlist we are supporting a war against Russia in ukraine? A war where other Russian soldiers are committing war crimes against the civilian population?

A really tricky question....

OP how do you know these soldiers flocking to the borders are not loyal troops following orders?

This is not conscription - these are reservists so trained soldiers.

Don’t stand for election on this manifesto, OP. You will get flattened. Just like you have been on this thread.

Putin has started calling up civilians. Other civilians have gone “shit I’m next” and scarpered while they still can.

How can you know if the war bothered them before now? You can’t judge based on whether they protested - they aren’t allowed to protest otherwise they get locked up or killed. There are things in the UK which I object to but I don’t protest about them because the consequences would be too severe.