To hope that we welcome men fleeing Russia

[MindYourBeeswax]

Many are fleeing Putin's Press Gangs.
The EU Council President has recommended that the EU offer them asylum.

It must be bloody terrifying and, although we're not in the EU longer, I hope that this government follow his example and offer sanctuary as we have done for fleeing Ukrainians.

I know that they will be young men and not need to live with families in the same way that Ukrainian women and children did so although that would be ideal, it's not essential and hostels/hotels could be used.

Will you offer a home if asked? I can't but I would like to help in some way.
AIBU to hope that we will help these fleeing Russians?

Just because they didn’t protest the war, that doesn’t mean they support it. In Russia protesting is a death sentence, you get taken away to the gulag. Most ordinary people, especially those with families, will keep their heads down and hope it blows over. Like most ordinary people did in Nazi Germany. Anyone who protested the death camps got put in there with them. I honestly believe the people who are fleeing Putin’s conscription are victims as much as anyone else, and should be offered asylum.

I'm torn on this. I think they should stay and overthrow Putin. Everyone against this war leaving Russia just makes life easier for Putin, plus, if they actually are conscripted and deployed, I don't thing they would be the most ruthless fighters and we might have mutiny in Russia ranks.

As for staying in my house, I have some Ukrainians already so yes, would take a Russia.

I'm hiding this stupid thread.

And women don’t harm children?

It's awful and I can understand why they don't want to fight but I'm hoping they dont come to Ireland. 60,000 ukrainians and still a 100 arrive every day. Every out house hen house boat house and hotel is full and winter is coming. We are a tiny country and they are nearly all on social welfare. Knowing we cannot cope doesn't mean I am unsympathetic. It's a mess. I wish putin would kill himself.

This is a good point. Look at the India v Pakistan violence happening in Leicester.

True, if they refused to be drafted they could not all be sent to prison. Would there be huge fines?

What a stupid idea

Lots of social
Media posts where they are shocked that they have to queue to get into other countries and are blaming Ukraine for "attacking"

Plus the many, many accounts of how they behave as tourists in Europe.

They are fleeing now because they don't want to get their hands dirty. Highly doubtful any of them are feeling for ideological reasons

And how fucking dare you compare and equate these russian cowards with Ukrainians that are trying to avoid being wiped off the face of the earth

Fuck it. On the Saturday wine early, clearly

A bunch of unemployed men, who speak. I English, have no money or jobs, living in large groups with very little to do.

Yes, great idea.

This without actually having vetted any of them properly to begin with ti ensure they aren’t ProPutin and arriving so that they can cause trouble.

Regardless, how many Russians are you offering to pay for OP?

After hearing various stories of the difficulties people faced hosting Ukrainian women, it's confirmed that no, I couldn't do this.

I have children, some with sen. I need to priorities them.

Oh don’t be so bloody stupid!

All rapes are committed by men, the vast majority of violence committed against females is by males.

Are you for real?

Ooh. The massive brain of Charles Michel, a Belgian politician whose government collapsed. Gosh. Let’s all listen to him.

God this is horrific.

Why do you keep talking about the European Council?

Who cares.

Why not the US, or Canada, or major NATO contributors.

I personally don’t give a shit what he has to say on this matter! Why would it matter more than any other prominent politician’s opinion?

I appreciate what everyone is saying but ultimately what can people do? It’s illegal to protest in Russia- even if they found the war crimes heinous (let’s face it many did) would you/they be willing to stake their lives and livelihoods to defend this? If the UK got in more of a mess and you tried to move abroad and they declined us on principle that ‘you voted for this’ when you voted remain and are unhappy about the whole thing would you accept this? Normal Russians are almost as much a victim of all this as others in the west. Their hands are tied by a mad dictator.

Nope. It's a war and they are the enemy. We can't side with Ukraine and then pick and choose which Russian men may or may not support their country.

An awful lot of Russian men are wife beaters. It's well documented how awful they are.
1 in 5 women Russian women are victims of domestic abuse every year.
So it's a massive NO from me.

@Quincythequince I keep "talking about" the European Council because this is something mooted by the President of the European Council, not any of the others you randomly mention. If I were talking about cats being great pets, would you splutter about why I'm only mentioning cats and not pet racoons?

First of all, he has weight in Europe and Germany are already warm to the idea so there is a fair chance it may happen.
Secondly, if it does, should the UK follow the example of Europe.
Thirdly, Europe is on our doorstep. We can ignore it, pull down the drawbridge but if Russians enter Germany and France, there is a good chance they will enter here illegally.

That is why, apart from humane reasons, it might be better to act than to wait while we are able to control the flow.

*pull up the drawbridge, not down!

Eh? They're going to come here illegally so we may as well just let them in?
Not following that logic.

It's a hard subject isn't it,! Don't worry.

But isn't that true of every refugee Puzzledandpissedoff?

If you mean having a story to tell which may or may not be true, then potentially yes - though I'd qualify this by adding that the less well intentioned the person the less accurate it's likely to be

Unfortunately this can impact on all, including the genuinely needy, but my overall point is that it can be very difficult to know who's who, and in a crisis situation there's little chance of anyone finding out

Ok, no need for the snark. People are allowed to disagree with you. Your argument thus presented was not logical.

It's always a shame when the attacks are on the person, not the argument.

Secondly, if it does, should the UK follow the example of Europe.

In your opinion. Plenty disagree.