To hope that we welcome men fleeing Russia

[MindYourBeeswax]

Many are fleeing Putin's Press Gangs.
The EU Council President has recommended that the EU offer them asylum.

It must be bloody terrifying and, although we're not in the EU longer, I hope that this government follow his example and offer sanctuary as we have done for fleeing Ukrainians.

I know that they will be young men and not need to live with families in the same way that Ukrainian women and children did so although that would be ideal, it's not essential and hostels/hotels could be used.

Will you offer a home if asked? I can't but I would like to help in some way.
AIBU to hope that we will help these fleeing Russians?

GooseberryCinnamonYogurt · Today 17:38
We're full up with young men who arrive here in dinghy's. We are a small island, suffering financially. Let them stay on mainland Europe. Enough is enough.“

we are suffering financially as a result of Brexit as well as the Ukraine war.

we are far from full up.

they should stay and fight from within to overthrow Putin. The west has no responsibility to protect them.

I know many, including myself, won't fling open our personal front door,, although I wish we could all be a bit braver. But it's not too much to ask that hotels and hostels be made available. There are plenty of jobs so we needn't worry about a drain on public resources!

How easy do you think it is going to be to protest against Putin or hide from his Press Gangs? They are his victims too.

Actually we are full up.
Not enough housing
NHS in tatters.
Too many conflicting migrants already.
How do you know that they are not from the prisons?

Would you say the same about anyone avoiding military service in their own country OP? Plenty of other countries with compulsory stints in the military.

Of course the EU should welcome them.

You lose your moral authority when you repeatedly castigate a foreign power for starting a war of aggression, label them tyrants and murderers, but then simultaneously refuse to accommodate people from within that same country because they agree with you and want no part of the despotism of their own government.

As for the 'running away' accusation... why was that not flung at Ukrainian women? They were not in any danger of being conscripted into the Ukrainian armed forces, yet many of them were professionals in jobs that are vital to the Ukrainian economy, an economy upon which the Ukrainian resistance to Putin is utterly reliant. Why are they not 'cowards' and 'running away' abandoning Ukraine to it's fate?

People do not want to die, they especially do not want to die as victims of a conflict in which they had no say, do not necessarily approve of, and can not avoid by any means other than upping sticks and leaving. That doesn't make anyone a coward and nor is it running away. It's no different if you are Russian, Ukrainian, male, female, old, young, fit, unfit, or anything else.

We are not full up!

Apart from the fact that we don't have enough hostels and hotels for the very many homeless we already have, I agree in principle.

No. But only because I don't want anyone living in my house. Their nationality would be irrelevant.

This!

Are you aware of the story re 'Trojan Horse'?

Absolutely not! I would never have a stranger in my home whatever the circumstances.
Also many of these men will have supported the war but don’t just want to fight.
All sympathy with Ukraine here.

We are full up. That's why we have the homeless being given tents by charities so they can sleep in parks.

Russian men need to be more like Iranian or afghani women but no they supported the war until it affected them. Let them stay in Russia and destabilise the Putin regime not come to the West and destabilise us

I think charity starts at home sorry. Not a popular opinion but I think we have enough problems in our country to sort first we are hardly in a position to help others right now.

They might be able to help us! There's a desperate shortage of workers at the moment, including doctors.

of course if we were a thriving country right now then why not help others but sadly that’s not the case.

@MindYourBeeswax

You honestly think people not wanting to let strange men into their homes is because they are not brave enough?🙄

There are still refugees from Afghanistan who came here a year ago living in hotels and hostels because we cannot find homes for them.

Ukraining men had to stay and fight so why shouldn't Russian men? They were content enough until they were called up. They should fight their government.

Remember also these are reservists. So they have been trained as soldiers. Why one earth would we welcome Russian soldiers into our country when we are supporting a country at war with russia? How do you plan to ensure that they are not agents of the Russian state?

Why can't you give a home to one, OP?
Apologies if I missed your explanatory post.

Do you actually think it's a solution?

Sadly no, not without a hell of lot vetting

Soviet plan for years was to use small undercover teams indulge in sabotage, assassination behind enemy lines in the run up to more overt action.

The Soviet Union has gone but Putin was KGB of the Soviet era..

Absolutely.
I don’t have space but would support.
I know a company. They prioritised evacuating and supporting their Ukrainian WFH employees- they then turned their attentions to help their Russian employees quietly leave with their families. Helping with routes and support in their new country.

We have enough to help everyone- just our upper classes and rulers seem to want to keep the pounds for themselves and have everyone else fighting over the pennies. And they’ve brainwashed enough people to cause the fights with rhetoric about foreigners, lazy benefit claimants and not ill enough disabled people etc.

I believe the full quote is “Charity begins at home, but doesn’t end there” - also “an eye for an eye - leaves everyone blind” etc.

Its not the running away thing, its that the Russians fleeing were not fleeing for the last 6 months, they were happy to either say nothing or support a war.

Ukrainian women in front line roles such as nursing etc have stayed, indeed the majority of Ukrainian women have too, its the women at risk of capture and rape murder that fled often made too esp with children, the ones i know are desperate to get back and rebuild.

Yours is a very sick comparison tbh.

USA expert on Sky right now saying Europe is mad to accept Russian young men as Russia has a long history of sending trouble makers to the West.

why would any country agree to take the men running away?

So they aren’t fighting in the Ukraine? Also it’s not like Russians have a lot of rights to protest - the people and the government are not synonymous- Russia is a dictatorship 🤷‍♀️