To hope that we welcome men fleeing Russia

[MindYourBeeswax]

Many are fleeing Putin's Press Gangs.
The EU Council President has recommended that the EU offer them asylum.

It must be bloody terrifying and, although we're not in the EU longer, I hope that this government follow his example and offer sanctuary as we have done for fleeing Ukrainians.

I know that they will be young men and not need to live with families in the same way that Ukrainian women and children did so although that would be ideal, it's not essential and hostels/hotels could be used.

Will you offer a home if asked? I can't but I would like to help in some way.
AIBU to hope that we will help these fleeing Russians?

Oh yes, good shout.

No we shouldn’t invite them all here - that is ridiculous, but we should do what we can to help and not just say charity begins at home. Whether that’s help with regime change, education or supporting through monetary charity.

Theres not a shortage of worker ,there a shortage of people who want to work

The Russian people aren't the enemy of people in the UK. What are you on about? If you're Ukrainian you have every right to think this, but otherwise, no.

Is he proposing something as stupid as you are, which is importing thousands of Russian men into the U.K.?

If so, then yes, he and you are both being stupid.

Be honest here though, he isn’t, and given the difference in population density and pressure on housing only an absolute idiot would try to pretend that the situation in the U.K. and the EU is the same.

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"As for the 'running away' accusation... why was that not flung at Ukrainian women? They were not in any danger of being conscripted into the Ukrainian armed forces, yet many of them were professionals in jobs that are vital to the Ukrainian economy, an economy upon which the Ukrainian resistance to Putin is utterly reliant. Why are they not 'cowards' and 'running away' abandoning Ukraine to it's fate?"

This is an odd argument. Russia is not being invaded and those running away from Russia are fleeing a legal requirement of being a Russian citizen because it benefits them.

Do you really not see a difference?

Btw has anyone considered what happens when we put Russians in the same hostel as Ukrainians? Especially if we have to turn away a Ukrainian to make room for a Russian.

We are hosting a Ukrainian family, when they were driving out of Mariupol with big signs on the car reading "children in car" the Russians shot up their car without hesitation. They drove the car here, I've seen the bullet holes.

Where were these 'conscientious' objectors when their country's army was shooting directly at a 3-year-old and 6-year-old? Where were they when their 6-year-old neighbour was murdered by Russian soldiers? I bet they sat back and did fuck-all, and now they're running away to save their own skin.

Russia cannot incarcerate or kill every Russian, so their best bet is to mobilise in large numbers against Putin and his war.

It's the only way they'll be able to recover Russia's soul and begin to sort out Russia's standing internationally.

I'm not holding my breath though.

OK. What have you done for them recently.

Or are you yet another lefty who thinks we must do something but for some reason has done fuck-all themselves about it?

Vote Labour!

Hell no.
Not unless whatever it is has four legs.
Have DD and DH anyway.

It’s a ridiculous idea for so many reasons.

We have enough conflict from foreign lands being imported here. No more.

Out of interest, if the UK started a war and your 16 year old son was conscripted to fight, and he disagreed with the war - what would you want him to do? Would you want him to go and fight anyway, or stay and try to change the governments mind? I don't think we have room for any more unless they are needed skilled workers, but there is a human angle to it.

If you are worried about taking in a Russian man it probably won't be long before they start conscripting women as well unfortunately.

The sooner Putin is found dead in his bath of a mystery ailment the better. But that can't happen when all the dissenting voices are over here in our empty b+bs. Change will have to come from within, people will have to riot, the leaders around Putin will have to know the game is up. And it appears the Russian people will only protest in substantial numbers when there is a possibly that their husbands, fathers, brothers and sons will come home in body bags. Don't give them an out and make them change their own country when their own skin is on the line.

Incidentally, whilst it's "Putins" war, it's not putin that is murdering Ukraine children or using rape as a weapon. Let's not be quick to forget that.

I honestly can’t believe how naive you are OP,

Well. I’m very pro EU, but this is just a staggeringly stupid proposal!! WTF are they thinking😮

Nicely summed up for me on the first page. Absolutely not.

Also, have people in this country agreeing with this forgot that’s a mere six years ago, two Russian agents posing as tourists, released a nerve agent in Sailsbury!!
The naivety is astonishing!

What do we know about these men?

Probably as little as they choose to tell us, but don't worry, I've no doubt they'll have a script about their father being shot, their brother abducted and their little sister thrown down a well

... and whether any of it will be true is almost certainly unknowable

Quite frankly I don't want them coming here full stop. The UK is full to bursting as it is.

No - they need to hold their leader to account

I'm of the mindset that Russian men are fleeing their country as they don't agree with Outin's regime.
The fact is, they have National Service and might be trying to abscond.

I really don't know.

But isn't that true of every refugee? @Puzzledandpissedoff
Charles Michel (EU Council President) said we should host Russians who are in danger because of their political opinions"

He said a lot more and a quick google of Charles Michel will highlight why he thinks this is important and should be done quickly. But hey, maybe this experienced and worldly politician is just stupid, mad and naive too with no grasp of the world situation.

Maybe he should consult the brains of Mumsnet. Luckily, almost a third of voters on this thread agree with him!

It's not safe or easy to be a political dissident in Russia. However, if you are, you can seek asylum in neighboring countries.
Men running away because they don't want to fight in a war that they have been cheering on until last week? Not dissidents, not refugees.

Apologies... Putin's!

And I'm Eastern European!