To hope that we welcome men fleeing Russia

[MindYourBeeswax]

Many are fleeing Putin's Press Gangs.
The EU Council President has recommended that the EU offer them asylum.

It must be bloody terrifying and, although we're not in the EU longer, I hope that this government follow his example and offer sanctuary as we have done for fleeing Ukrainians.

I know that they will be young men and not need to live with families in the same way that Ukrainian women and children did so although that would be ideal, it's not essential and hostels/hotels could be used.

Will you offer a home if asked? I can't but I would like to help in some way.
AIBU to hope that we will help these fleeing Russians?

Nope. You are beyond wet for suggesting it. Germans on UK soil were rounded up and interred when war broke out in 1939.

No, certainly not. At the moment Russia is as good as our enemy. They should have left months ago if the

Not a chance.

The problem with us offering them hotels or hostels - aside from the fact it will cost an absolute fortune - is it’s not a sustainable way for people with no money to live when they don’t even have kitchen facilities.

I thought the protest in Carlisle a few weeks ago was interesting - Afghan men protesting on the roof of a Hilton hotel they’d been ‘housed’ in, not because of the conditions but because they wanted to be in London not some random northern city.

Harsh as it may sound, Russia has caused, and is causing us, enough problems. We have many Ukrainians here. We should avoid more potential problems.

Yes exactly , it would be a clever way to invade wouldn’t it

Doctors who speak English, with a licence to practice here.

What do we know about these men?

They did nothing when their people murdered Ukrainian children but ran away to save themselves from being conscripted.

We had conscription in the UK. Refusing to fight and accepting the consequences on principle was sometimes considered brave, but running away was called something else.

Expecting other people to look after you when you get there. When they are struggling to feed their children and keep them warm because of what your country is doing isn't something to boast about either.

If we are so foolish as to take them in I can see a time in the near future when they are protesting our actions against their country. Unless the plan is internment until the conflict is over? They can never go back once they leave of course.

Can we afford this? Are the stories on mumsnet about not being able to pay the bills all invented? Whose food will we give them?

Do you genuinely think it works like that or are you just a bit foolish?

Do you think that every refugee who enters the UK has to have a sponsor to pay for them? Did you really think that? Good Lord!

So, Betty down the road who wants a Russian, Ukrainian or Syrian person to be able to have refuge in the UK has to rock up with her life savings in a sock to pay for them. One sock of life savings equals one refugee.

These things are handled on a national level.

The country who is offering asylum pays for those to whom they offer it. That comes out of the country's resources-some of which include taxes. Our government agrees to do it on our behalf because, in other shocking news, they don't ask every resident what they should do,

Ain't it strange how the world works and there were you thinking everyone sat around a camp fire and personally offered to pay for the refugee they liked the look of!

That’s strange, after getting all indignant at the suggestion that she wasn’t actually offering to do anything at all herself the OP seems to have gone quiet when asked to clarify.

Is this another one of those left-wing things where something is important, or moral, but should all be completely left to someone else to organise and pay for?

It’s whit like this that makes me support the abolition of the additional rate of income tax. There’s an endless list of bullshit schemes that the left demand be put into action and yet they always, always expect someone else to pay for it.

Enough. If you want something half-arsed like this to be funded then get campaigning for funds, and get organising the campaign yourself. You do not get to sit in your arse, whine on in the internet, and then demand that other people just hand over money for your pet project.

what about the families from ukraine who have already been welcomed here?
how would they feel?

So I was right, you are proposing to do absolutely nothing yourself, literally zero, but you can sneer at others who point this out?

Have you considered joining Labour?

100% agree, many aren’t thinking it through properly.

You wish to bring Russian men of fighting age into our country? And expect us to welcome them into our homes?

Don't be so flippin daft.

@MindYourBeeswax

You are shockingly rude

This could have been a good thread

Exactly.
Some people won't be happy until there's literally standing room only in this country.
And there's already been a thread today saying that the quality of life and wealth in the UK has dipped below that in Poland and some other Eastern European countries. So why come here?
And there are many many threads about people who can't get a GP appointment, can't get an ambulance, can't get a date for surgery, can't get a school place for their child.
If we're not full up, then tell me what we are?!

Just no, and you must be crazy to even think that we should do this. Are you mad?!!

And, the cherry on the top of her imbecilic scheme is that she wants someone else to pay for it.

I understand that a certain Brighton MP has just lost their policy adviser; OP, I think that you’d be a perfect fit for the role. How are you when it comes to shouting at babies and eating too many pies?

Is the President of the EU Council mad?

I used to live in an area that welcomed a lot of Kurdish refugees, men as well as women and children.

Shortly afterwards, the area had a huge problem with violent gangs of Kurdish men who did violent burglaries, ran a torture chamber (photos were in local paper) and generally ruined the neighbourhood. Rape statistics also massively went up.

Women and children - sure.

Men from a sadistic dictatorship in a country with a huge alcohol problem and a history of sending assassins to Britain?

Nope.

After reading the Op's replies I can only conclude they have given a very junior journalist the job of putting this idea out there to see gow many bleeding hearts bite or they are just bored & taking the piss.

Women and children fine. Men? Absolutely not. The risks are far too great.

I can't believe the men are leaving their families behind because of time constraints or because flights are not available. What do they think Putin will do to their families when he finds that their husbands, fathers and sons have deserted him.
He will kill them all!
They shouldn't be leaving!
They were happy to stay until they've been called up, now they're not only deserting Putin but more importantly their own families!?!?

Not sure if OP intended to present herself as a cliched progressive leftie, or inadvertently fell into the trap.

But this thread sums up how leftie hearts bleed for others, without any sense of the cost of doing things, expecting everyone else to foot the bill, while they sit in their progressive circles feeling superior and smug for caring. It’s so cliched, it like a satirical sketch.

They did nothing when their people murdered Ukrainian children but ran away to save themselves from being conscripted.

^ this.