To think most Brexiteers must now regret their vote?

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If you voted Brexit, do you feel like you have been able to "Take Back Control?" If so, where? Can anyone state one positive change since Brexit - I would genuinely like to hear at least something. Anything?

YANBU - I voted Brexit but now regret it
YABU - I voted Brexit and can see a benefit

How do you think tech startups raise capital?

Benefited us. Low income jobs to fit around family life are now much easier to find.

Or perhaps a programme to provide them with Internet connections, so that they can read Mumsnet and learn about how the UK is the most dreadfulest place in the world. Then they will wonder why they were so desperate to get in.

If you believe that going to the bottom of the garden in the middle of the night, during a thunderstorm would be an acceptable way to live, you do you.

I'll stick with regarding indoor plumbing as an important feature of our civilisation.

Yeah, it's a circular argument.

All people who say that are really doing, is defining absolutely any basis for motivation as part of the "self". If you vote for poorer people to get more at your expense, it's to feel good about the economic altruism that you see as part of your "self". If you vote to go to war knowing you will be conscripted, it's because of the heroic notions around war that are part of your "self". etc.

And, amazingly . . . we therefore conclude that people take all these voting decisions for "selfish" reasons. Which basically just means "reasons".

You are basically a serf.

Congratulations.

You won't get over it.

You are going to be a lot poorer.

And we are all going to point and laugh at you

And no, we will NOT be helping you or anybody like you.

The UK head of state performs a purely ceremonial role, so there is nothing undemocratic about him not being elected. In my view it's preferable.

There is no need to elect the head of government because the parliament that determines who the HOG will be is elected. Especially when every member of parliament has personally been voted for.

These are non-issues.

There's a lot of trashing of the UK system of government just now. Brexit should, if nothing else, teach us the dangers of ripping up things that actually do work.

Can I ask a question please?

I am working class, female, kids left home. I work, but not a high earner and live on the outskirts of a big city in mid England.

What are the benefits for me if we stayed in the EU?

Everyone keeps saying we are worse off, going to hell in a handcart, will be poorer. So if we were in the EU still, how would I be better off?

Please explain to me as I struggle to understand.

One example is the cost of fuel.
Since we left the EU and even more so since Liz Truss became Prime Minister the pound has fallen on the currency markets. Gas (and many other products) are traded in dollars or euros. A weak pound means that we pay more for fuel than we would otherwise. The wholesale cost of gas has dropped significantly this year, but we do not see it in our bills as the pound has also dropped.

Since we left the EU and even more so since Liz Truss became Prime Minister the pound has fallen on the currency markets. Gas (and many other products) are traded in dollars or euros. A weak pound means that we pay more for fuel than we would otherwise

Euro is getting likewise pounded in the currency markets. So are East Asian currencies. Any country that has commodities (eg Russia) will have a better time in this new landscape.

Tbh commodities were very cheap for a very long time. Hope you bought gas & oil stocks. Coal too. Still not to late to get in on coal 😆

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Thank you @jgw1 for your reply, but it says the Euro is also at it's lowest against the dollar. And like Berries says, other currences are getting pounded like Japan. I'm no expert but from reading the papers it says the dollar is really strong at the moment.

I still don't see how us being in the EU makes my life better off.

I voted leave and regretted it within a few months. Initially because the amount of shit I got from remainers (mainly my sister) but now more so because the whole leave campaign was a lie. Obviously I didn't know that at the time.

If we had the vote again, i'd vote remain.

Of course they don't.It's not Brexit's fault. It's corona. Or "normal" financial cycles. Or Europe punishing us for our freedom 🙄

@VapeVamp12

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Please come. Leave/Tory voters are the only people who can turn this sinking ship around (although its probably too late now). At the very least, you shouldn't let the liars, racists and cheats who sold you Brexit get away with it. They should feel your anger at the very least.

@VapeVamp12 I am interested in your realisation the leave campagn was a lie. How come you didn't realise earlier? It was clear as day to me it was rubbish, and SO much expertise telling anyone who cared to look into that, and I often wonder why people found it so compelling. Didn't you question it at t the time?

At least @VapeVamp12 has now realised. I think most Leave voters would crawl through a sewer to vote leave again, they hate the EU even more than they did. It's the fact they don't give a single shit about the peace in NI that really gets me.

I do think it’s the most appalling act of national self harm that we do have to keep mentioning it and remembering it. It’s really one of the most awful things a country has ever do to itself willingly - or rather a people have had inflicted on them by a selfish elite, and a fraudulent referendum.

So i think yanbu OP

Aaron Banks was right when he said the leave campaign didn't need facts because they had feelings, Remainers could keep the facts. That's why I think Leave voters (vast majority) will NEVER change their minds. As I said, they hate the EU even more now.
Where's Banks these days anyway? Still fan boying Putin?

Huge respect for your honesty.

It hasn't benefitted upper and well off middle class at all.
Has benefitted lower income working class and hugely benefitted those looking for work, especially in certain areas of the country (if you have no personal experience look at the unemployment rate)

Again, you are incorrect.

You fail to look at the other end of the equal sign.

Getting a 20% wage increase is great I am sure, but its not so great when the services your taxes pay for (education, healthcare, council tax etc..) get materially worse.

If you crunch the numbers, you will in fact find that the lower income working class are worse off with Brexit due to higher levels of inflation (caused by labour shortages), and deteriorating public services (caused by labour shortages and reduced tax revenues).

And yes, this is all about to get much worse for them.

You will see what happens to those same folks when you have extremist libertarians running the country and making economic decisions. They are about to get massively empoverished.

And yes, having Truss and Kwarteng in power is due to Brexit. Its the natural evolution of extremist group think in the Conservative party, which would not have occurred without Brexit.