Diana and Charles Questions

[AdoraLovesCake]

So this is not a AIBU but it's an ATBU for are THEY being unreasonable.

I have seen a lot of you tube shorts marking the 25 year death of Lady Diana Spencer/the princess. They say she was a devoted mum and participated in the boys' school events, gave them macdonald's ect. Was a lovely, normal mum. I don't dispute that. Even though she died just before I was born so i hardly know anything about her, i think she is amazing and did not deserve to die. That brings me on to how some people said she wrote in her diary that she thought Charles was planning to kill her (staging an accident) so he could marry Camilla and that she knew something was wrong with the brakes in her car. For any of you who don't know, she died in a car accident in Paris on August 31rd 1997.

She was the people's princess and adored by all, she was one of us as her children went to public schools, she dressed casual. ect.

I also have some questions:

• Where was Diana buried, I know she had a state funeral thing?
• Did Diana see her kids much after the divorce?
• If Diana was alive now, what would her position be?
• Charles did not mention Diana in his becoming king speech - he could have said 'And the boys' mother who taught them so much' or something - do you think he should have?

YABU: They are being unreasonable and Charles did not order Diana's murder
YANBU: They are not being unreasonable and Charles did order Diana's murder

William and Harry hate the paparazzi - unsurprising

I felt that when Charles mentioned in his address losses the family had endured together, he was thinking of Diana, among others. She is the mother of his children. I can’t recall which book mentioned it but it has been said that Charles had to insist on going to Paris himself to bring Diana’s body back to the UK. I read that he had put his foot down hard over this and apparently said ‘what would you prefer, that she is brought home in a Harrods van?’ How true this is, who knows? I like to think it’s true.

I think Diana would have found happiness and carved a role out for herself and I think her snd Charles would have ended up on good terms.

She is laid to rest at Althorp her family estate on an island.

We will never know whether or not she was assassinated. I believed it was an accident at the time and for years after but I’ve read a few books recently that have made me wonder.

Is Google broken today?

Agree. Just as dim and easily led.

When people say "she saw her children lots" and "she was a lovely normal mum" - I'm sure she was normal in terms of her social circle (and had a bit more input with her children than other royals did) but it wasn't normal in the way most people think of mothering.
She would have had a nurse from birth, care overnight as babies until they were in a strict routine, full time nannies to raise the children and then sent them away to boarding school at 8.

This is her childhood home. Her kids went to Eton, the most exclusive boarding school in the country. PMSL at the idea she was “one of us”.

She was also an atrocious mother - she might have been “devoted” but that didn’t make her any good at it. What kind of mother locks herself in a bathroom threatening to kill herself while her 10yr old pushes notes under the door begging her to come out? What kind of mother then does a tell-all interview on national TV discussing all of her affairs, her MH problems (including the bathroom incident, this is from her own mouth), and trashing her children’s father? A fucking shit one.

And no she certainly was not “universally loved” - do you think any of the wives whose marriages she broke up love her? Ask Julia Carling what she thinks to her.

She did good work with the HIV awareness and the anti-landline campaign, but unfortunately all of that work was overshadowed in the press at the time by stories about her parading around on her way to the gym in (for the time) skimpy cycle shorts, and sunbathing topless on Dodi Fayed’s yacht. The tabloid press loved her because she was having a very public meltdown and making a spectacle of herself.

You seem to be getting all of your information about Diana and the UK from the National Enquirer.

her own mother left when she was 5 i believe.

She was batshit, was most definitely not loved by all and broke up the Carlings marriage. She didn't have a state funeral either.

Last state funeral was the Queen. Before that, Churchill in 1965.

that must have had an affect on her

Diana was emotionally damaged by her own parents’ divorce.

At the time of her engagement, her own grandmother (a lady in waiting and so exposed to royal life) thought she was unsuitable to marry into the family. I think a comment was made then or later about her having read too many Barbara Cartland novels (her step-grandmother, I think) and therefore having unrealistic, overly romantic expectations of life.

At the time of her death, she was not on speaking terms with her brother and at least one of her sisters. She was volatile and known for falling out with people on a regular basis.

Was any of that her ‘fault’? Perhaps not. But it was her personality or character. And that was shaped by her parents when she was younger. Just like William and Harry have been shaped by both of their parents.

Who was Charles having multiple affairs with?

I think Diana having died made things more difficult for Charles and Camilla tbh, no sense in him having her killed

Diana died in part because she was hounded by the press, in part because the driver of her car was over the limit, (it has been endlessly and extensively proved by careful in depth investigation by the French police and authorities), she wasn't wearing a bloody seat belt when he took a reckless turn at speed in a tunnel, and she turned down safe sensible dull boring protection by experienced decent police protection in the UK and put herself in that car with Dodi Fayed's incompetent drunk team. Mohammed Al Fayed has spent years flaming the fans of rumours that King Charles 'did it' because frankly it's deflection. Christ I'm sick of that bollocks. Please stop posting and whipping up nonsense.

I have read Earl Spencer initially gave Diana permission to live in a cottage on his estate in Althrop. This was then retracted meaning that Diana and the boys (when home) had no bolt hole, only a house in London, which gave onto the street and therefore no respite from the media. She played cat and mouse with them. But she also wanted privacy.

No one murdered Diana. She refused U.K. security and got inside a car being driven by a very drunk driver and didn’t wear a seatbelt. Had she worn a seatbelt, she would have lived.

As for the comments of her being 19, times were different. A virgin (horrid term) was required and that meant a young woman. I was born about a decade after Diana. It was totally normal to date much, much older men back then. I dated a man, who must have been in his early 40s when I was 19. I loved being wined and dined. It didn’t last as I realised he was already attached.

Yes agreed - she was not 'one of us' at all.
They're all LARPing that to some extent.

I don't think anyone would deny that she was extremely famous but " loved ," is pretty subjective,she was a complex character, and whilst she did many good things for charity ,she also had some deep flaws
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Earl Spencer was at the Queen's funeral in Windsor, as one of her godchildren.

Yes, that was the one time in her reign that QEII put family ahead of nation, and the press just bayed at her - things like "show us you care"

So wrong

Ok just a few things in your post; she wasn't adored by all. At the time it was fairly well accepted that she courted attention and had affairs with numerous married men including Will Carling.
Her kids went to private school.
She wasn't one of us, she was definitely a member of the aristocracy.

In my opinion, it was a terrible marriage where both parties behaved poorly but I think all of the queen's children's marriages took place in changing times where the royals faced more scrutiny and less reverence from the press so it was the first time their misdeeds were really printed and where the old ways of marrying someone suitable whilst having mistresses were also no longer seen as acceptable. I think it's telling that the only one of the four to have a successful marriage is the one who waited the longest.

I didn't ever understand the cultish adoration of Diana, although I have a teen DD who won't hear a bad word said against her. She did amazing things for some charities and causes but I think she was an arch-manipulator, probably with some type of borderline personality disorder (look at all the 'silent phonecalls' she made to Oliver Hoare's home after he'd rejected her. Anyone else and she'd have received a restraining order!).

@AdoraLovesCake

by ‘public schools’ you mean super exclusive private ones yes?

Where was Diana buried, I know she had a state funeral thing? Althorp on an island

Did Diana see her kids much after the divorce? Yes

If Diana was alive now, what would her position be? Mum & Grandmother, they divorced before she died so no position in RF

Charles did not mention Diana in his becoming king speech - he could have said 'And the boys' mother who taught them so much' or something - do you think he should have? No, not appropriate

Diana had several affairs and was also known to hound and harass the wives of the men she had affairs with.

She certainly wasn’t the saint that she has been posthumously created as.

exactly. I thought it was. Westminster Gun carriage.. people were home all day watching just like Monday.

No it didn't. I lived through those times and I was quite young but still saw the charity stuff for what it was, a vehicle for the self promotion and narcissism that drove her.

I acknowledge that she was not treated well, but she was not a nice person and didn't treat others well.

She wasn't everyone's "People's Princess" by a long shot. Starting a thread claiming Charles had her murdered right after the Queen's funeral is in very bad taste. What are you hoping to achieve with this, OP?

Her marriage to Prince Charles was 'cooked up' by her grandmother and the Queen Mother (the former a Lady-in-Waiting to the latter). In many ways it was an arranged marriage.