Diana and Charles Questions

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So this is not a AIBU but it's an ATBU for are THEY being unreasonable.

I have seen a lot of you tube shorts marking the 25 year death of Lady Diana Spencer/the princess. They say she was a devoted mum and participated in the boys' school events, gave them macdonald's ect. Was a lovely, normal mum. I don't dispute that. Even though she died just before I was born so i hardly know anything about her, i think she is amazing and did not deserve to die. That brings me on to how some people said she wrote in her diary that she thought Charles was planning to kill her (staging an accident) so he could marry Camilla and that she knew something was wrong with the brakes in her car. For any of you who don't know, she died in a car accident in Paris on August 31rd 1997.

She was the people's princess and adored by all, she was one of us as her children went to public schools, she dressed casual. ect.

I also have some questions:

• Where was Diana buried, I know she had a state funeral thing?
• Did Diana see her kids much after the divorce?
• If Diana was alive now, what would her position be?
• Charles did not mention Diana in his becoming king speech - he could have said 'And the boys' mother who taught them so much' or something - do you think he should have?

YABU: They are being unreasonable and Charles did not order Diana's murder
YANBU: They are not being unreasonable and Charles did order Diana's murder

I was very fond of Diana but I don't subscribe to the almost saintly way she can be perceived by some. She was a flawed person as we all are. She knew how to manipulate public sympathy despite her own bad behaviour during her marriage. I don't believe that had the Charles and Camilla affair not happened that they would still be married today, they just weren't suited as a couple. I'm not saying that she wasn't treated badly by Charles but she wasn't the Saint she's portrayed by some.
A loving mother for sure, I have no doubt she saw the boys frequently post divorce. I don't believe her death was manufactured by anybody.

She was driven to paranoia by many people including someone who worked for the bbc who faked paperwork to get her to talk to him

She could be cruel she leaked details of the children's nanny having an abortion

She had a physical affair first but Charles was wrong to marry her for an heir to the throne just wrong

William and Harry both claimed that their parents were "finally" getting along when she was killed

She didn't see as much of her children as she liked they were being trained for royal life and at school

On the conspiracy theories: See this sketch

I thought her brother buried her on his private estate to capitalise on the hysteria around her death. He was charging for people to come and view where she was buried. My recollection was that the very fickle British public lost interest almost the moment she was buried and he made virtually no money from his plan.

She was not “one of us”. She was married into royalty by her king-maker family and then she and her husband spent their married lives having multiple affairs and scoring points off each other; neither of them having the slightest regard to the 2 young children caught in the middle.

@girlmom21 , sorry, i am so bad at grammar.
Yep, i really don't think it was intentional and also to let you know its not the queen dying that brought diana up, its Diana's death anniversary and a saw a couple clips on youtube.
I have just seen something about her having an affair with somebody and Harry looks a lot like that somebody but i thought that was all a bit far fetched.
Thank you all.

Harry was born before Diana even met Hewitt.

I love how so many of us are experts 🙄

She wasn't "one of us" even if she hadn't married onto the royal family she was from a super posh family. Her kids went to Eton one of the most prestigious private schools around and not on their academic merit but on their status and families ability to pay for it.

There was wrong doing by both families on pushing Charles and Diana into marriage. Charles never wanted to marry her and apparently she was having doubts but was persuaded to go through with it by her family.

For someone who wasn't alive at the time and has limited knowledge of what went on, a quick Google would have told you she had a brother, you have some very odd opinions on the matter and also why do you care?

Lol at the idea of her being "one of us" because she sent her kids to public schools.

You seem to have rather a romanticised image of Diana that isn't really based on reality, perhaps because you clearly know very little about her. I liked Diana and felt dreadfully sorry for her, but she was a deeply flawed individual who made a lot of mistakes. She and Charles should never have got married in the first place. There was fault on both sides, certainly, but I also think that both were victims of a shitty situation that shouldn't ever have happened - their marriage was always doomed to fail.

I don't think Charles was responsible for her death and I don't think it would have been appropriate for him to mention her in his speech. It would have been weird if he had.

She was close to her kids, as far as I know, and I'm sure she saw them plenty after the divorce.

I was 15 when she died. I remember all the awful press coverage of her before her death and I can see why her boys were so angry at the press and why they are so protective of their families. I think Harry looks far more like Charles now than William.

If you are our age (am late 40s) you can’t not be! The press went crazy and we lapped it up. Fear I could do university challenge on flipping princess Diana and I have republican tendencies!

Re her position or titles. When the was married she was HRH The Princess of Wales. After her divorce she lost the HRH and was Diana, Princess of Wales. I think she would have lost that if she remarried but probably would still have kept it alongside Kate’s HRH The Prince of Wales if she was still here now and not remarried. Apparently, William said (as a boy) that when he was King he would restore her HRH. Maybe she would have had something like HRH The King’s Mother if that had been what felt appropriate at the time and if she had outlived King Charles.

I think she would have kept up her charity work but perhaps become a bit less in the spotlight as she got a bit older and her divorce longer ago but who knows as she was very good at getting media attention and had star quality.

She was the people's princess and adored by all, she was one of us as her children went to public schools, she dressed casual. ect.

Oh fgs. She was not 'one of us' or 'adored by all'. And wtf re 'public schools'?

I will ever ever understand the deification of Diana, and even the most paranoid of conspiracy theorists tend to have a vague grip on the basic facts of their chosen obsession.

YABridiculous.

Expert in what? Diana's life and death or thatshe wasn't killed on the orders of Charles?

The former - Diana and the Royal family were all over the papers constantly. It's quite hard not to know if you were around at the time.

The latter - don't be silly.

Why on earth would he mention his long-dead ex in his speech?

she certainly was not adored by all!

She wasn’t adored by all (many of the same people who were lining the streets at her funeral had been buying nasty tabloids about her days before), “the people’s princess” was a description made up after she died, she was less stuffy than many of the royals but not “one of us” in any way. Her kids went to Eton.

“One of us” is very funny. The Spencer’s are incredibly wealthy landed gentry in their own right both sons inherited millions just from Diana not the royals.

Much like the Queen she wasn't adored by all of us ,yes there was a huge outpouring of greif after she died ,I guess a 36 year old dying suddenly is a tragedy no matter who you are particularly for her family but not all us were devastated by a stranger dying
I don't think Charles plotted her death
The marriage was essentially arranged and they were a very bad match and there was fault on both sides .

I didn't like Diana at all. She was unhinged and did a lot of damaging others. She certainly was not some paragon of virtue! She was never one of the people either.

She didn't wear a seat belt so when the car crashed she died. That's it.

"Her kids went to public schools" ...missed this

They went to extremely expensive private schools (public schools does not mean the same here as it does in other countries, it means private.) William was already boarding at Eton, Harry was about to start a different expensive school. Before that they both boarded at Ludgrove from about aged 8. Not a normal education at all.

Diana's funeral was a ceremonial funeral - similar to but not the same as a state funeral.

She certainly was privileged, but did have a rather odd upbringing. Given that, and her being thrust into the limelight as teenager, I’m not sure how ‘normal’ anyone could be in those circumstances. I put Charles in the same category. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, raising ‘royal heirs’ is a terrible way to raise children. Abusive, even.

Eton is a public school, not a state school though.

She definitely wasn't 'one of us' she was a Lady and extremely privileged.

People who don't wear seatbelts have a much poorer outcome when in a crash.

The only reason people say Harry looks like James Hewitt is the ginger hair, never mind the fact that both Diana,s brother and sister have ginger hair, personally I think Harry looks like Charles .