Diana and Charles Questions

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So this is not a AIBU but it's an ATBU for are THEY being unreasonable.

I have seen a lot of you tube shorts marking the 25 year death of Lady Diana Spencer/the princess. They say she was a devoted mum and participated in the boys' school events, gave them macdonald's ect. Was a lovely, normal mum. I don't dispute that. Even though she died just before I was born so i hardly know anything about her, i think she is amazing and did not deserve to die. That brings me on to how some people said she wrote in her diary that she thought Charles was planning to kill her (staging an accident) so he could marry Camilla and that she knew something was wrong with the brakes in her car. For any of you who don't know, she died in a car accident in Paris on August 31rd 1997.

She was the people's princess and adored by all, she was one of us as her children went to public schools, she dressed casual. ect.

I also have some questions:

• Where was Diana buried, I know she had a state funeral thing?
• Did Diana see her kids much after the divorce?
• If Diana was alive now, what would her position be?
• Charles did not mention Diana in his becoming king speech - he could have said 'And the boys' mother who taught them so much' or something - do you think he should have?

YABU: They are being unreasonable and Charles did not order Diana's murder
YANBU: They are not being unreasonable and Charles did order Diana's murder

She could be cruel she leaked details of the children's nanny having an abortion

It does appear possible that Diana was duped in to believing this, just as she was manipulated by the press in a number of different ways, most notoriously by the now utterly discredited Martin Bashir.

The nanny in question, who was not pregnant in the first place, has won substantial damages from the BBC about such false claims that were highly distressing to her.

She didn't see as much of her children as she liked they were being trained for royal life and at school

All those freebie holidays she took also limited her time with them.

”One of us because her children went to public schools” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh op, you do realise a public school in Britain is one of the most expensive in the Country? I’m assuming you’re prob not from Britain, or maybe a Russian bot trying to stir dissent🤷🏼‍♀️

She was the people's princess and adored by all, she was one of us as her children went to public schools, she dressed casual. ect.

you are talking inaccurately op
totally wrong

They also wouldn't have done it in a country where they couldn't control the health authorities, the police and the judiciary,

Yep first thought was Russian bot but that might be because I’ve just watched the undeclared war 😂

To those saying she wasn’t universally loved, that’s absolutely inaccurate. She was more popular outside UK than she was here. She was way way more popular than the queen internationally. A face that could be recognized by almost anyone on the planet, anywhere. She was actually a great brand ambassador for the UK in that she was so recognizable.

You don’t have to like her to acknowledge that.

the weeks before she was Al Fayeds boat with the boys and there were so many photos of them in the papers. If you aren’t old enough to remember when Diana died think back to the way the press treated Caroline Flack before and after she died. I think it was Tony Blair who said the people’s princess the day after outside church. Also people hadnt known what it was like for a significant royal to die - it had been all the weddings through the eighties.

the previous conspiraracy was that philip ordered her death.
it is all a load of rubbish!

Where was Diana buried, I know she had a state funeral thing?

Really? I don't imagine state funerals include Elton tickling the ivories.

YABU!! It's outrageous that people really believe the awful wild conspiracy theories that " Charles ordered Diana's death! " Of course he didn't! You tubers are hardly good sources of fact!

Diana chose not to wear a safety belt and the driver was speeding - nothing under the control of the Royal family.

Yes she was hounded by the French paparazzi in the middle of a media frenzy. She played up to the media for years before that. We see that playing out in Harry now, it's not their best quality and it has consequences that can't be controlled. That's why the Queen had the media policy she did of quiet dignity and letting publicity be about the cause she was supporting at that time, not over sharing about herself and her personal views.

Diana also married Charles the then future King for her own reasons and that of her family's despite her misgivings before the wedding . They weren't suited. I do feel sorry for her but think she made bad decisions for the wrong reasons and that her family and friends could have (and should have) seen that she and Charles weren't a love match nor a good match, but were instead complicit in pushing the marriage too.

Diana was a flawed individual aa much as Charles was when younger but in different ways. They both grew and matured far more apart than together. And both developed as parents. That was a good thing.

Sometimes things are just an accident, a terrible tragedy, and that's what Diana's death was. Horrible and shocking at the time as it was.

It would never go over well Charles mentioning (in his Kings speech) his late ex wife as it was 25 years ago. His mum our Queen has just died. He's now King. His speech was about his late mother and the future. He has more to think about than dwelling on what was past.

Do you not have access to Wikipedia where you are?

Yabu

You really should consider sourcing your info from a source less ill-informed than tiktok.

Diana was an extremely privileged woman in an unhappy marriage who behaved badly (as did her husband)

She no doubt loved her children as any parent does, this is not a unique or saintly characteristic.

She supported some excellent causes, that benefited a lot from the publicity that came with that support, that was her only job, that is what royals do.

She courted the press as a way of empowering herself in a PR battle against Charles when they divorced which she won for a time with a victim narrative. However, eventually they started writing about some of her less impressive behaviour, like having high profile affairs with married men (Will Carling).

She died in a car accident with her current bf after a high speed car chase with the papparazi where her driver was well over the limit and she while wasn't wearing a seat belt (had she been she would probably have survived)

At that point the press, which had been monstering her pretty thoroughly for a while bricked thselves about their culpability with regards to the paps behaviour and did a 180 degree turn and ran over the top saint Diana articles.

Many many people bought this and there was an outpouring of mass hysteria around her death and subsequent funeral. Many many other people didn't care much about Diana and were astonished by this and looked on in disbelief.

There remains a contingent of Diana superfan's who insist on peddling the victim/saint Diana myth, but only people stupid enough to believe everything they see on tiktok really buy it these days.

Whatever went beforehand, getting in a car with a drunk driver going 120kph and not wearing a seatbelt is playing right into the hands of anyone 'plotting to kill you' IMO 🤷🏻‍♀️

Charles had to marry a virgin. Camilla had had a couple of boyfriends so she was considered to be not pure enough to marry the heir to the throne. It seems archaic now, but the RF were very strict on this. Diana who was a teenager was thought a suitable match as her family was well known to the RF.

If she had not died, Charles probably wouldn't have married Camilla. He was, in the eyes of the church, a widower despite the divorce.

When Diana's death was announced, my first thought was, how convenient. It does appear though that had she worn a seatbelt, she could have survived. I do believe that some of the RF did give a big sigh of relief.

Charles actually went against his mother and collected her body. Charles Spencer whilst delivering a shocking speech at her funeral had actually fallen out with her and they never reconciled so bizarrely she actually had a closer relationship at her death with Prince Charles than her brother.

Diana also married Charles the then future King for her own reasons and that of her family's despite her misgivings before the wedding . They weren't suited. I do feel sorry for her but think she made bad decisions for the wrong reasons and that her family and friends could have (and should have) seen that she and Charles weren't a love match nor a good match, but were instead complicit in pushing the marriage too

She was only 19, what on earth were they thinking?!

I don't know too much either as I was pretty young but I am pretty sure she's buried at her families home, on an island with a lake around it, an unmarked grave to protect her privacy.

Whatever the rights and wrongs (and we’ll never know, but it appears that there were many on both sides), the one thing we do know is that Charles and Diana were two people who were pretty desperately unhappy being married to each other.

I never got the “amazingly devoted mother” bit; I don’t think that’s a moniker that would be given to someone on here with two kids at boarding school, various staff and nannies and who spent a large chunk of time swanning around the world with her boyfriends. Different strokes for the Royals, I know - but William and Harry spent a lot of time at school and a lot of time with Charles (and HMQ) in the holidays. It was obviously tragic when she died as she was so young, but I never got the conspiracy theories; they were in a car with a driver who’d been drinking, speeding through the tunnels of the Paris periphique to avoid the paps. Pretty obviously an accident and a horrible one at that. She had a love/hate relationship with the press and certainly used them to her advantage when that suited her. I find it slightly ironic how much Prince Harry courts the press now; he’s always (totally understandably) claimed to hate them.

I’ve often wondered what she’d be doing now. I suspect that they public tide of opinion would’ve turned against her if she was still seen out and about with power boating playboys in her 40s and 50s and she could’ve ended up as a Fergie character. (Of course, alternatively, she might have ended up as a Jackie O figure, married to someone fabulously wealthy abroad.). Certainly, Charles and Camilla would have had a harder time of it.

I always wondered why they didn't have loads of children but then when the story came out, I understood.

She wanted to be loved by him, I don't think he ever loved her.

They were both strange but in different ways.

I'm surprised William isn't messed up, I understand she leant on him and was privy to lots of heartache, pushing tissues under the door for her.

I don't think she was done in, but her death was convenient, she wasn't behaving like a Windsor.

and the poor queen was sheltering william and harry in balmoral but the press/public raised their voice and appealed for them to come to buckingham palace
watch The Queen film

I don't think it's anywhere near as black and white as Diana good, Charles bad. She had a lot of mental health issues and she could be manipulative

Imagine the AIBU though …. Married young husband having an affair, excluded and lied too rolled out to be arm candy and you wonder about her mental health?

She was stalked and had her phone lines bugged by the press and British services she could trust anyone or be free in her own home … no wonder she was unhappy.

You think Harry is manipulative?? Personally I think he's the most human and compassionate out of all of them! Protecting his wife, something Charles never did for Diana.

Meghan and Harry are a whole other story!

Harry's very like his mother and not in a good way.