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AdoraLovesCake · 2022-09-21T05:51:17+00:00

So this is not a AIBU but it's an ATBU for are THEY being unreasonable. I have seen a lot of you tube shorts marking the 25 year death of Lady Diana Spencer/the princess. They say she was a devoted mum and participated in the boys' school events, gave them macdonald's ect. Was a lovely, normal mum. I don't dispute that. Even though she died just before I was born so i hardly know anything about her, i think she is amazing and did not deserve to die. That brings me on to how some people said she wrote in her diary that she thought Charles was planning to kill her (staging an accident) so he could marry Camilla and that she knew something was wrong with the brakes in her car. For any of you who don't know, she died in a car accident in Paris on August 31rd 1997. She was the people's princess and adored by all, she was one of us as her children went to public schools, she dressed casual. ect. I also have some questions: - Where was Diana buried, I know she had a state funeral thing? - Did Diana see her kids much after the divorce? - If Diana was alive now, what would her position be? - Charles did not mention Diana in his becoming king speech - he could have said 'And the boys' mother who taught them so much' or something - do you think he should have? YABU: They are being unreasonable and Charles did not order Diana's murder YANBU: They are not being unreasonable and Charles did order Diana's murder

How2Help · 21/09/2022 08:19

I have just seen something about her having an affair with somebody and Harry looks a lot like that somebody but i thought that was all a bit far fetched

An affair is far fetched, but a murder conspiracy is legitimate??? 😁

StatisticallyChallenged · 21/09/2022 08:20

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/09/2022 08:10

I have read Earl Spencer initially gave Diana permission to live in a cottage on his estate in Althrop. This was then retracted meaning that Diana and the boys (when home) had no bolt hole, only a house in London, which gave onto the street and therefore no respite from the media. She played cat and mouse with them. But she also wanted privacy.

No one murdered Diana. She refused U.K. security and got inside a car being driven by a very drunk driver and didn’t wear a seatbelt. Had she worn a seatbelt, she would have lived.

As for the comments of her being 19, times were different. A virgin (horrid term) was required and that meant a young woman. I was born about a decade after Diana. It was totally normal to date much, much older men back then. I dated a man, who must have been in his early 40s when I was 19. I loved being wined and dined. It didn’t last as I realised he was already attached.

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She still lived at Kensington Palace - not an unprotected house on the street.

KimberleyClark · 21/09/2022 08:22

I remember reading that Diana really had her heart set on heart surgeon Hasnat Ahmad Khan, but he wasn’t as keen, and she was only hanging about with Dodi to make him jealous.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 21/09/2022 08:23

StatisticallyChallenged · 21/09/2022 08:20

She still lived at Kensington Palace - not an unprotected house on the street.

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Exactly.

Iirc her brother said no to her living on the estate and the press intrusion would've been hell, don't blame him really.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 21/09/2022 08:24

KimberleyClark · 21/09/2022 08:22

I remember reading that Diana really had her heart set on heart surgeon Hasnat Ahmad Khan, but he wasn’t as keen, and she was only hanging about with Dodi to make him jealous.

All that was very bloody weird. Photos of her in operating theatres, etc.

Doubtmyself · 21/09/2022 08:25

Changechangychange · 21/09/2022 08:08

This is her childhood home. Her kids went to Eton, the most exclusive boarding school in the country. PMSL at the idea she was “one of us”.

She was also an atrocious mother - she might have been “devoted” but that didn’t make her any good at it. What kind of mother locks herself in a bathroom threatening to kill herself while her 10yr old pushes notes under the door begging her to come out? What kind of mother then does a tell-all interview on national TV discussing all of her affairs, her MH problems (including the bathroom incident, this is from her own mouth), and trashing her children’s father? A fucking shit one.

And no she certainly was not “universally loved” - do you think any of the wives whose marriages she broke up love her? Ask Julia Carling what she thinks to her.

She did good work with the HIV awareness and the anti-landline campaign, but unfortunately all of that work was overshadowed in the press at the time by stories about her parading around on her way to the gym in (for the time) skimpy cycle shorts, and sunbathing topless on Dodi Fayed’s yacht. The tabloid press loved her because she was having a very public meltdown and making a spectacle of herself.

You seem to be getting all of your information about Diana and the UK from the National Enquirer.

WOW! A poster from the 19th Century!

She was also an atrocious mother...What kind of mother locks herself in a bathroom threatening to kill herself

So any woman who isn't smiling all the time and kissing her baby and fucking her husband is a bad mother??? What the fuck?

And no she certainly was not “universally loved”

More people watched her funeral than the Queen....

her parading around on her way to the gym in (for the time) skimpy cycle shorts, and sunbathing topless on Dodi Fayed’s yacht.

How the fuck are you meant to dress to the gym, in a burka? And I've seen women sunbathing topless on an English beach, does that make them harlots.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/09/2022 08:25

MissyB1 · 21/09/2022 07:34

Well that’s all bollocks! Are you old enough to properly remember those times? I am. She was extremely popular right from when she first got married, one of the issues in their marriage was his jealousy of how much the public adored her. Then her work for vulnerable people homeless/HIV/ the land mine work, all of that endeared her to everyone really.

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I am almost exactly the same age as Diana was, and it isn't bollocks. I admired the charity work she did, but that's it. I found her a tiresome attention-seeker in life and I was gobsmacked by the hysteria after her death. I think it was worse than the last 13 days since the Queen died, because although there's been an attempt to insist 'we are all grieving' there's been a lot more pushback from those who weren't. Thank god for Private Eye, which exposed the hypocrisy of the press in detail in its first issue after she died (which W. H. Smith and other outlets refused to stock out of 'respect', although they'd all been very happy to stock the tabloids that bought endless paparazzi photos over the years).

Of course it was terribly sad that she left two young children behind. I had two young children myself so of course I empathised with their grief. However, she was incredibly stupid to get in that car and not put her seatbelt on. The idea that it was a conspiracy is utter nonsense and I can't understand why anybody could consider it even vaguely plausible. Why would the Royal Family arrange the murder in France when it would have been so much easier (if they had the incredible powers the conspiracy theorists credit them with) to cover it all up in the UK, where she lived? Why choose such a risky method? And why do it, anyway? She was doing a very good job of destroying her own reputation by associating with a playboy like Dodi Fayed. She'd been divorced for several years. Her death catapulted her back into the limelight and led to this weird view of her as some sort of secular saint. Worst thing the Royal Family could have done. And of course the idea that the Royal Family at the end of the 20th century had the sort of power and influence to be able to arrange that is the most ludicrous thing of all.

PurpleWisteria · 21/09/2022 08:27

She really wasn't adored by everyone. Some of us saw straight through her.

WinnieTheW0rm · 21/09/2022 08:27

that Diana and the boys (when home) had no bolt hole, only a house in London, which gave onto the street and therefore no respite from the media

That's not true. Her London home was a property within Kensington Palace

Mittens1717 · 21/09/2022 08:31

Threelittlelambs · 21/09/2022 08:01

I don't think it's anywhere near as black and white as Diana good, Charles bad. She had a lot of mental health issues and she could be manipulative

Imagine the AIBU though …. Married young husband having an affair, excluded and lied too rolled out to be arm candy and you wonder about her mental health?

She was stalked and had her phone lines bugged by the press and British services she could trust anyone or be free in her own home … no wonder she was unhappy.

Absolutely this

Bouledeneige · 21/09/2022 08:35

Before she died (and after the divorce) she was being heavily criticised by the British media for living a eurotrash life style - gadding about the Mediterranean on yachts with her rich friends. She was turned into a tragic heroine after she died - it was very bizarre. I was not a fan, and frankly the public grief was bizarre and mawkish.

She was a very damaged and insecure girl who was married off way too young to a man who wasn't in love with her. Although she came from aristocracy she didn't love the hunting, shooting, fishing, riding lifestyle and was not very bright and didn't seem to have a lot of interests. She was just there to breed. As she grew older she grew more confidence and of course was very attractive but I never understood why she was made into such a heroine except that she died young.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 21/09/2022 08:39

Mittens1717 · 21/09/2022 08:31

Absolutely this

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The more that comes out about phone bugging and Martin Basheir (sp?) I do have much more sympathy for her and the way she behaved.

Patienceisntvirtuous · 21/09/2022 08:39

I known I'm slightly off topic and being rather uncouth with this but, am I the only person who doesn't think she was attractive?She was cute and striking in her youth as much as the next person but I don't think she aged well. She had a rather ungainly shape I thought, and looked rather old for her years. But I feel I'm the only person who thinks this. There were far nicer looking women of her era, both 'famous' aristocratic ones and in general.

luckylavender · 21/09/2022 08:45

I was a big Diana fan, we were almost the same age. Clearly she was mistreated. But she was no saint. And absolutely no reason for her to be mentioned in KC3's speech. Totally inappropriate.

Plenty online which would answer all your questions.

Novum · 21/09/2022 08:45

sst1234 · 21/09/2022 07:54

To those saying she wasn’t universally loved, that’s absolutely inaccurate. She was more popular outside UK than she was here. She was way way more popular than the queen internationally. A face that could be recognized by almost anyone on the planet, anywhere. She was actually a great brand ambassador for the UK in that she was so recognizable.

You don’t have to like her to acknowledge that.

You do know what "universally" means, don't you? If you do, you can't possibly say that that is "absolutely inaccurate". We didn't all love her, of course not; I doubt that even 50% of the population did in the UK, and the percentage outside was an awful lot lower. Before her death she was getting increasingly unpopular - people were laughing (and worse) about things like the pictures of her dripping mascara over operative heart patients, her tendency to drop everything for photo opportunities at disaster victims' bedsides, the further posed photo opportunity pictures of her in a bikini or similar, the fact that she was blagging so many free holidays off her boyfriends, and much more. That reaction certainly wasn't confined to the UK. Ironically enough it was her death that rehabilitated her.

x2boys · 21/09/2022 08:47

Patienceisntvirtuous · 21/09/2022 08:39

I known I'm slightly off topic and being rather uncouth with this but, am I the only person who doesn't think she was attractive?She was cute and striking in her youth as much as the next person but I don't think she aged well. She had a rather ungainly shape I thought, and looked rather old for her years. But I feel I'm the only person who thinks this. There were far nicer looking women of her era, both 'famous' aristocratic ones and in general.

I agree ,I think she was attractive, but also had the money and the means to make the best of her appearance ,and she had the very best clothes shoes etc beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but personally I can think of far more beautiful women them Diana .

KimberleyClark · 21/09/2022 08:48

The photograph of her sitting alone at the Taj Mahal is the one I remember.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/09/2022 08:51

KimberleyClark · 21/09/2022 08:48

The photograph of her sitting alone at the Taj Mahal is the one I remember.

Yes. Staged, very obviously.

Changechangychange · 21/09/2022 08:55

You shouldn’t involve your child in your suicide threats, no. That’s emotional abuse. They had many nannies and household staff, and the children were away at boarding school for most of the time, so there was no need at whatsoever to involve William directly.

Tell me, do you think it is ok she involved her tween son in her extramarital affairs to the extent he kept a photo of her affair partner’s wronged wife on his dartboard at school? I think that is pretty fucked up, personally, and yes many people thought so (and said so) at the time.

My point about the clothing was that this was what the press focused on, and why she was on the front page of the papers so much. Not the good works. I don’t think that is her fault, I think the tabloids in this country are despicable.

Obviously she could wear what she wanted, but at the time most famous people didn’t in public, and the Royal Family definitely didn’t (and mostly still don’t). So it caused outrage (that cycle shorts photo really did cause absolute hysteria over her possible cellulite, perhaps you don’t remember - I am not saying this is a good thing or she deserved it) and it sold papers.

Some people have a really warped recollection of the press coverage prior to her death. Regardless of how many people watched her funeral (there was nothing else on tv, remember? And all the shops were shut), she was reviled many sections of the press before she died.

GiselleRose · 21/09/2022 08:57

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/09/2022 08:10

I have read Earl Spencer initially gave Diana permission to live in a cottage on his estate in Althrop. This was then retracted meaning that Diana and the boys (when home) had no bolt hole, only a house in London, which gave onto the street and therefore no respite from the media. She played cat and mouse with them. But she also wanted privacy.

No one murdered Diana. She refused U.K. security and got inside a car being driven by a very drunk driver and didn’t wear a seatbelt. Had she worn a seatbelt, she would have lived.

As for the comments of her being 19, times were different. A virgin (horrid term) was required and that meant a young woman. I was born about a decade after Diana. It was totally normal to date much, much older men back then. I dated a man, who must have been in his early 40s when I was 19. I loved being wined and dined. It didn’t last as I realised he was already attached.

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Times weren’t different in that way at all. People speculated from the start that the relationship was arranged, wouldn’t last and that Diana was too young. Everyone knew it for certain when Charles replied ‘whatever love is’ at their engagement interview but people enjoyed watching the wedding and hoped they’d be happy.

I think Diana’s family should have discouraged the marriage but for the aristocracy, marrying into the royal family is the ultimate achievement. I think Diana had a very unsettled start in life that she probably would have sorted through later in her life.

BonjourBonheur · 21/09/2022 08:57

Patienceisntvirtuous · 21/09/2022 08:39

I known I'm slightly off topic and being rather uncouth with this but, am I the only person who doesn't think she was attractive?She was cute and striking in her youth as much as the next person but I don't think she aged well. She had a rather ungainly shape I thought, and looked rather old for her years. But I feel I'm the only person who thinks this. There were far nicer looking women of her era, both 'famous' aristocratic ones and in general.

She was attractive for a royal. It was a different era and one in which there was far less expectation that royal women would be turned out like celebrities, so the fact that Diana was tall and slim and (later on) dressed in a glamorous way was noteworthy. Completely different from how things are for Kate.

Novum · 21/09/2022 08:58

QueSyrahSyrah · 21/09/2022 07:56

Whatever went beforehand, getting in a car with a drunk driver going 120kph and not wearing a seatbelt is playing right into the hands of anyone 'plotting to kill you' IMO 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yes, I've always wondered why people took seriously that stuff about her writing that there were plots to kill her, especially regarding use of a vehicle. Anyone who seriously believed that would have been a hell of a lot more careful.

Choopi · 21/09/2022 09:05

Mummyoflittledragon · 21/09/2022 08:10

I have read Earl Spencer initially gave Diana permission to live in a cottage on his estate in Althrop. This was then retracted meaning that Diana and the boys (when home) had no bolt hole, only a house in London, which gave onto the street and therefore no respite from the media. She played cat and mouse with them. But she also wanted privacy.

No one murdered Diana. She refused U.K. security and got inside a car being driven by a very drunk driver and didn’t wear a seatbelt. Had she worn a seatbelt, she would have lived.

As for the comments of her being 19, times were different. A virgin (horrid term) was required and that meant a young woman. I was born about a decade after Diana. It was totally normal to date much, much older men back then. I dated a man, who must have been in his early 40s when I was 19. I loved being wined and dined. It didn’t last as I realised he was already attached.

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I'm too young to know much about Diana or understand the fawning some people do but just on the 'she had no bolt hole'. Did she not have any money of her own to buy a home is that why she would have to rely on someone else to house her? Was she forced to live in a house in London with no privacy? Like not allowed to sell it and buy one that did have privacy?

I would have presumed when you divorced a Prince you get a pretty nice settlement but clearly that wasn't the case if she couldn't even house her children in an appropriate way that provided them with privacy?

x2boys · 21/09/2022 09:05

BonjourBonheur · 21/09/2022 08:57

She was attractive for a royal. It was a different era and one in which there was far less expectation that royal women would be turned out like celebrities, so the fact that Diana was tall and slim and (later on) dressed in a glamorous way was noteworthy. Completely different from how things are for Kate.

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Yep if we were to have a who was the most beautiful Royal competition, i think Princess Margaret in her youth would win hands down imo at least.

Novum · 21/09/2022 09:07

User6447482684755 · 21/09/2022 08:00

I don't know too much either as I was pretty young but I am pretty sure she's buried at her families home, on an island with a lake around it, an unmarked grave to protect her privacy.

Hardly unmarked. There's a dirty great memorial temple, with a Diana silhouette and a quote from her brother's speech at the wedding. Given that Althorp hosted an exhibition all about her for years, you could never accuse her brother of failing to monetise her.