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whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 20:39

We've had a fairly good relationship with our neighbour up to now, so am genuinely curious as to whether my view is skewed or not.

We live in a semi detached and have done for the last 10 years.
There have been occasions over this time where we've helped next door out, usually with things like appliances having broken and pests in the garden or house. We've never asked a thing of next door as we generally get on with our own stuff or hire someone to fix it ourselves.

Now onto my issue.
Next door has rabbits. They are those small rabbits, even though fully grown. They are allowed to run free in the garden over the daytime, even with everyone at work/school.

Recently, a neighbours cat has shown interest in the rabbits, so understandably next door is worried about this and has decided to make the garden 'safe'. The plan, as we were told it, was it put anti cat spikes on their shed and the shed next door (not ours, the other side). I thought it was weird at the time, thinking just having them on the shed wouldn't do anything but didn't say anything.
Next thing I get a message a couple of weeks ago to say the workmen are coming, could they access the shed from my garden. I said no problem, just to tell me when they needed to come in and I'd put the dog inside, as I wasn't working that day. I double checked that they were just going on the shed, and they said yes!
I was putting some stuff away upstairs and looked out the window, and noticed the workmen had put the spikes all round the top of the fence on their other neighbours side, and the back, and that they were now measuring the fence on my side. So I went out, and asked if they were planning to put them on our fence, he said yes, that's what they'd been paid to do. He said 'well that halts my next question, as I was going to ask if we could put them on your side of the fence, as it is the flat side'
I explained that I'd been told they were just going on their shed, not the fences, and as the fence is under our ownership, we weren't happy about them being on there at all, let alone our side, especially as we hadn't been asked.
The workman was fine, said no worries, they'd pack up and let the neighbour know and that as the fence is ours, they couldn't continue.

The neighbour messaged the same day, asking us to reconsider and at least think about it.

Fast forward to this weekend, where after us having reiterated our point that we didn't want them on our fence. We explained that we don't like how they look, don't want the screws coming through to our side, and also don't think that they are actually going to fix the problem. We've now had a barrage of stroppy messages blaming us for the money they spent on materials, that the rabbits now can't run free because it's not safe and that we've ruined their lives.

So, AIBU to think that having rabbits running around the garden, regardless of cat spikes, is a bad idea? That we're not dicks for not wanting spikes on our fence? And that they should have been honest from the start?

Thank you to anyone who got this far 😂

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ginislife · 21/09/2022 08:15

My next door neighbour let her rabbit run free in the garden - until the morning the kestrel carried it off !!

purplehair1 · 21/09/2022 08:17

If the rabbits were in our neighbourhood the foxes would have had them within 5 minutes, spikes or no spikes!

andtheweedonkey · 21/09/2022 08:24

My NDN had 2 rabbits and 2 cats - all male.

The rabbits used to hump the cats! Blush

1HappyTraveller · 21/09/2022 08:24

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 21:32

In the winter they put the hutch in the shed, but leave the door open so they can run around the garden if they want to.
I suggested getting a run, and their exact words were: 'why should they go in a run when we can make the garden safe. I just find this really unkind, but no worries, the rabbits will just not be able to have the life they had before and I’ve wasted money I can’t really afford paying for half a job and materials.'

“Why should they go in a run when we can keep the garden safe?”

because it’s blindingly obvious that you can’t keep the garden safe! FFS.

How stupid and self-entitled they sound.

YANBU

ArrrMeHearties · 21/09/2022 08:26

They sound like they are living in cloud cuckoo land tbf.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 21/09/2022 08:29

StridTheKiller · 19/09/2022 21:04

Won't stop birds eating or menacing them. Bellends.

There's a video on YouTube of a seagull swallowing a rabbit whole.

Bookworm777 · 21/09/2022 08:34

The neighbour whose garden backs onto us put spikes on their fence and our cat just nonchalantly strolls along them, like she's a female Thomas O'Malley. Doesn't even have to tiptoe! Your NDNs are BU because they weren't honest about putting them on your fence and you're entitled to say no. If they are that worried, put them in a run.

EL8888 · 21/09/2022 08:45

Reply 1 nailed it for me: they’re bat shit. Their expectations and demands are unreasonable

Foronenightonly01 · 21/09/2022 08:45

Thank God they don’t live next door to us - both Ddog and Dcat are well seasoned bunny killers, particularly of the small (/young) variety). But then ‘our’ bunnies are living a wild, free bunny life and predators abound (and are praised for their protection of the veggie patch😆)…..perhaps I should change username to Mrs Macgregor🤔

OrangePumpkinLobelia · 21/09/2022 08:46

They are idiots.

On many, many levels.

singingintheshower · 21/09/2022 08:57

YANBU at all. Plus I know of a lady whose big rabbit got taken by a hawk so......

MinnieGirl · 21/09/2022 09:04

It’s like lazy parenting… basically do nothing, take no responsibility and blame everything on someone else.
Interesting that the cat who was videotaped attacking the rabbits has been let off because they are friendly with the owners…
I would just ignore them, and if you are asked again keep repeating the rabbits need to be in a run to be safe, if you won’t do that you must accept they will be targets for local animals.
Its not your responsibility to keep their rabbits safe…
And next time there are vermin, report to the council.

frogswimming · 21/09/2022 09:11

Please update when you get a response op!

Caroffee · 21/09/2022 09:11

YANBU. The neighbours ABU.

Gardengirl108 · 21/09/2022 09:17

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 21:49

It's the ones in the picture. I think they are legal, but equally I think they're useless 😂

My cat would laugh at those as she stepped over them 😂

2bazookas · 21/09/2022 09:22

I would not let the neighbour put spikes on my fence.

Having said that, we had a free-range pet rabbit who lived to over 10 in our urban back garden (he got on fine with our cats and dog.). At night he put himself to bed in his hutch. Eventually he was killed in the night by a fox which ate the rabbits head.

Grrrrdarling · 21/09/2022 09:22

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 20:39

We've had a fairly good relationship with our neighbour up to now, so am genuinely curious as to whether my view is skewed or not.

We live in a semi detached and have done for the last 10 years.
There have been occasions over this time where we've helped next door out, usually with things like appliances having broken and pests in the garden or house. We've never asked a thing of next door as we generally get on with our own stuff or hire someone to fix it ourselves.

Now onto my issue.
Next door has rabbits. They are those small rabbits, even though fully grown. They are allowed to run free in the garden over the daytime, even with everyone at work/school.

Recently, a neighbours cat has shown interest in the rabbits, so understandably next door is worried about this and has decided to make the garden 'safe'. The plan, as we were told it, was it put anti cat spikes on their shed and the shed next door (not ours, the other side). I thought it was weird at the time, thinking just having them on the shed wouldn't do anything but didn't say anything.
Next thing I get a message a couple of weeks ago to say the workmen are coming, could they access the shed from my garden. I said no problem, just to tell me when they needed to come in and I'd put the dog inside, as I wasn't working that day. I double checked that they were just going on the shed, and they said yes!
I was putting some stuff away upstairs and looked out the window, and noticed the workmen had put the spikes all round the top of the fence on their other neighbours side, and the back, and that they were now measuring the fence on my side. So I went out, and asked if they were planning to put them on our fence, he said yes, that's what they'd been paid to do. He said 'well that halts my next question, as I was going to ask if we could put them on your side of the fence, as it is the flat side'
I explained that I'd been told they were just going on their shed, not the fences, and as the fence is under our ownership, we weren't happy about them being on there at all, let alone our side, especially as we hadn't been asked.
The workman was fine, said no worries, they'd pack up and let the neighbour know and that as the fence is ours, they couldn't continue.

The neighbour messaged the same day, asking us to reconsider and at least think about it.

Fast forward to this weekend, where after us having reiterated our point that we didn't want them on our fence. We explained that we don't like how they look, don't want the screws coming through to our side, and also don't think that they are actually going to fix the problem. We've now had a barrage of stroppy messages blaming us for the money they spent on materials, that the rabbits now can't run free because it's not safe and that we've ruined their lives.

So, AIBU to think that having rabbits running around the garden, regardless of cat spikes, is a bad idea? That we're not dicks for not wanting spikes on our fence? And that they should have been honest from the start?

Thank you to anyone who got this far 😂

I’d send them some nice ‘helpful’ links to secure & safe rabbit enclosures.
Do they not realise that Reddit’s are prolific diggers & that if their play area isn’t properly secured they will eventually dig their way out & escape?
Foxes can also dig into the garden & won’t be stopped by spikes.
They are being irresponsible rabbit owners leaving the rabbits to roam in an insecure environment while unsupervised. Garden running for bunnies while someone is home is good but not when bunnies are alone.

They are idiots.

FYI I had a dwarf lop bunny & he kept my 4 cats in check. He even tried to get fruity with them all at one time or another so after that they all gave him a wide berth. They used to chase each other round our yard as he was allowed to roam when we were home but as soon as we were going out he was secured in his pen, for everyone’s safety 😂

My3dahliasarebloominlovely · 21/09/2022 09:23

Years ago we were adopted by a semi feral cat. A neighbour down the road had rescued a wild rabbit from their own cat and put it in a hutch in their garden until it was fit to be released again. One morning there was an almighty kerfuffle at our back door. When we looked, there was blood everywhere and our cat was trying to get the remains of a large rabbit through the cat flap. The neighbours told me they'd spotted him on the top of their (spiked) wall and banged on the window. By the time the husband got outside, our cat had leapt down, opened the hutch and dragged the rabbit over the wall (6' high) and dragged him down the road to our back garden. Cats can be very determined when they want.

theremustonlybeone · 21/09/2022 09:23

your neighbours are arseholes, the rabbits will get taken by foxes. You cant leave rabbits running free all day. My neighbour did it and they were upset that the rabbit disappeared. All that was left was fluff where it had been caught and fluff as it had been dragged across the local shed. They need to put there rabbits somewhere safe

Grrrrdarling · 21/09/2022 09:25

andtheweedonkey · 21/09/2022 08:24

My NDN had 2 rabbits and 2 cats - all male.

The rabbits used to hump the cats! Blush

My dwarf lop got one of my boys… 😂
The squeal from the cat said it all & he never properly relaxed while laid in the yard with the rabbit again 😂😂😂

GasPanic · 21/09/2022 09:27

If you own the fence, then they are not allowed to attach things to it without your permission.

If they really want spikes, they can erect their own fence next to yours on their land and put spikes on that.

However, there are the actual rules and then there is the propaganda war.

In their eyes the evil next door neighbour has prevented them protecting their precious harmless bunnies and so their lives are ruined, irrespective of what any rule says. You don't have the "I am protecting cute animals" or the "won't someone think of the children" defence, so you will almost certainly lose the propaganda war.

The correct and totally obvious solution is of course for them to make a rabbit run in their garden with a few bits of wood and chicken wire. That will stop stuff eating them (or at least stop birds and cats).

GodspeedJune · 21/09/2022 09:28

Yes, definitely stand your ground about not attaching anything to your fence. Cats soon learn how to get around the spikes anyway.

But if you want to maintain a civil relationship with them, you could suggest cat proofing brackets. They are placed inside the neighbours garden, designed to keep cats in but work the same for keeping visiting cats out. You can either get rollers or angled brackets with nets.

Annoyingkidsmusic · 21/09/2022 09:31

They sound really, really thick.

Annoyingkidsmusic · 21/09/2022 09:33

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 21:43

My husbands response to all this is 'I think it's time to move'.

The thing is, I'm a real people pleaser and will always go out of my way to help people, often to my detriment, but even I have put my foot down with this, especially after the last couple of dickish messages. It's really made me realise that people are only nice to you as long as you're doing what they want.

I agree with your husband, more so because I honestly don’t think I could live next to these idiots!

Rosehugger · 21/09/2022 09:36

I wouldn't care about the previous relationship, anyone putting something up to hurt a cat is dead to me.

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