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Another neighbour one...

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whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 20:39

We've had a fairly good relationship with our neighbour up to now, so am genuinely curious as to whether my view is skewed or not.

We live in a semi detached and have done for the last 10 years.
There have been occasions over this time where we've helped next door out, usually with things like appliances having broken and pests in the garden or house. We've never asked a thing of next door as we generally get on with our own stuff or hire someone to fix it ourselves.

Now onto my issue.
Next door has rabbits. They are those small rabbits, even though fully grown. They are allowed to run free in the garden over the daytime, even with everyone at work/school.

Recently, a neighbours cat has shown interest in the rabbits, so understandably next door is worried about this and has decided to make the garden 'safe'. The plan, as we were told it, was it put anti cat spikes on their shed and the shed next door (not ours, the other side). I thought it was weird at the time, thinking just having them on the shed wouldn't do anything but didn't say anything.
Next thing I get a message a couple of weeks ago to say the workmen are coming, could they access the shed from my garden. I said no problem, just to tell me when they needed to come in and I'd put the dog inside, as I wasn't working that day. I double checked that they were just going on the shed, and they said yes!
I was putting some stuff away upstairs and looked out the window, and noticed the workmen had put the spikes all round the top of the fence on their other neighbours side, and the back, and that they were now measuring the fence on my side. So I went out, and asked if they were planning to put them on our fence, he said yes, that's what they'd been paid to do. He said 'well that halts my next question, as I was going to ask if we could put them on your side of the fence, as it is the flat side'
I explained that I'd been told they were just going on their shed, not the fences, and as the fence is under our ownership, we weren't happy about them being on there at all, let alone our side, especially as we hadn't been asked.
The workman was fine, said no worries, they'd pack up and let the neighbour know and that as the fence is ours, they couldn't continue.

The neighbour messaged the same day, asking us to reconsider and at least think about it.

Fast forward to this weekend, where after us having reiterated our point that we didn't want them on our fence. We explained that we don't like how they look, don't want the screws coming through to our side, and also don't think that they are actually going to fix the problem. We've now had a barrage of stroppy messages blaming us for the money they spent on materials, that the rabbits now can't run free because it's not safe and that we've ruined their lives.

So, AIBU to think that having rabbits running around the garden, regardless of cat spikes, is a bad idea? That we're not dicks for not wanting spikes on our fence? And that they should have been honest from the start?

Thank you to anyone who got this far 😂

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Ewock · 19/09/2022 21:41

They are crazy. We have dwarf rabbits and also a cat from the house behind who likes to stalk them. We have bought spray which is working but we never leave the rabbits unattended. There are other animals which could hurt them. We have a large hutch and large run. They have access to the run at all times during the day. When we are home they have access to the entire garden. Our choice to get rabbits so our problem to make it safe not our neighbours.

Bonbon21 · 19/09/2022 21:42

Their pets = their problem!!

Stripedbag101 · 19/09/2022 21:42

They need this! Spikes will make no difference

www.omlet.co.uk/shop/rabbit_products/zippi_rabbit_tunnel_system_and_burrow_pipe/

Tomnooktoldmeto · 19/09/2022 21:42

I thought only the rubber spikes were legal. If the cat in question injures itself on the fence spikes that are on a fence that you own then you could find yourself responsible for the vet bills so for that reason alone you’re neighbours are utterly unreasonable

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 21:43

My husbands response to all this is 'I think it's time to move'.

The thing is, I'm a real people pleaser and will always go out of my way to help people, often to my detriment, but even I have put my foot down with this, especially after the last couple of dickish messages. It's really made me realise that people are only nice to you as long as you're doing what they want.

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user1471538283 · 19/09/2022 21:44

The spikes will not work and I'm not sure if they are allowed? It's not just birds of prey that will get the rabbits apparently magpies will as well. Cats will just jump higher. My DGirl cat could clear a 6ft fence. The rabbits will also dig and escape.

They need to either take their chances or build a secure run.

Those rabbits wont last long.

This is not your problem to solve. I would ignore them.

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 21:49

user1471538283 · 19/09/2022 21:44

The spikes will not work and I'm not sure if they are allowed? It's not just birds of prey that will get the rabbits apparently magpies will as well. Cats will just jump higher. My DGirl cat could clear a 6ft fence. The rabbits will also dig and escape.

They need to either take their chances or build a secure run.

Those rabbits wont last long.

This is not your problem to solve. I would ignore them.

It's the ones in the picture. I think they are legal, but equally I think they're useless 😂

Another neighbour one...
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whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 21:51

Tomnooktoldmeto · 19/09/2022 21:42

I thought only the rubber spikes were legal. If the cat in question injures itself on the fence spikes that are on a fence that you own then you could find yourself responsible for the vet bills so for that reason alone you’re neighbours are utterly unreasonable

It's the ones in the picture:

Another neighbour one...
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whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 21:52

Stripedbag101 · 19/09/2022 21:42

This looks awesome.
I'll send that to them if we actually talk civilly again 😬

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Porcupineintherough · 19/09/2022 21:54

Tomnooktoldmeto · 19/09/2022 21:42

I thought only the rubber spikes were legal. If the cat in question injures itself on the fence spikes that are on a fence that you own then you could find yourself responsible for the vet bills so for that reason alone you’re neighbours are utterly unreasonable

Yeah, that's not true. You are not obliged to make your garden safe for wild animals (which is what cats are when they roam). If a human eg a neighbours child or a burglar hurts themselves on your spikes then you might get sued.

Realitea · 19/09/2022 21:56

I think the neighbours have forgotten that some predators are in the sky and won’t give a toss about a spiky fence!
They should, as any responsible rabbit owner does, have a “predator proof” run of about 10ft by 6ft to meet the rabbit welfare guidelines. That includes thick wire over the top to stop birds of prey coming in. Also foxes and stoats can dig under fences if they are determined. Tell them that.

Ladyofthelake53 · 19/09/2022 21:59

Why don't they get a big run for the rabbits then they can still be in the garden but safe not rocket science. Don't blame you mot wanting the spikes on your fence

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 22:02

Ladyofthelake53 · 19/09/2022 21:59

Why don't they get a big run for the rabbits then they can still be in the garden but safe not rocket science. Don't blame you mot wanting the spikes on your fence

I suggested getting a run, and their exact words were: 'why should they go in a run when we can make the garden safe. I just find this really unkind, but no worries, the rabbits will just not be able to have the life they had before and I’ve wasted money I can’t really afford paying for half a job and materials.'

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HappyKoala56 · 19/09/2022 22:05

We used to have rabbits who roamed free in our garden, and I must admit they loved it. We put a cat flap in the garage door so they could always get shelter (their hutches were also in the garage). The odd time we had visits from a cat - the bunnies had a bit of a Warren dug out at the end of the garden so they just took refuge down there and the cat never followed. It got bored and never really came back. I know it's the norm to keep rabbits in a hutch or run but in 15 years we never had any emergencies due to foxes, cats or birds and the rabbits got to live their best life

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 22:06

Realitea · 19/09/2022 21:56

I think the neighbours have forgotten that some predators are in the sky and won’t give a toss about a spiky fence!
They should, as any responsible rabbit owner does, have a “predator proof” run of about 10ft by 6ft to meet the rabbit welfare guidelines. That includes thick wire over the top to stop birds of prey coming in. Also foxes and stoats can dig under fences if they are determined. Tell them that.

I did say about bird of prey in my last message that they haven't responded to.
They're aware about the rabbits needing space, which I think is why they're so set on not confining them. They have astroturf which the rabbits haven't yet dug through. Rats managed to dig under the fence last year, but another neighbours dog managed to kill a few and we didn't see them again.
We are right next to fields, so a prime place for predators 🤷‍♀️

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pictish · 19/09/2022 22:09

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 22:02

I suggested getting a run, and their exact words were: 'why should they go in a run when we can make the garden safe. I just find this really unkind, but no worries, the rabbits will just not be able to have the life they had before and I’ve wasted money I can’t really afford paying for half a job and materials.'

They would have got a stern brush off from me for that message.

Let’s get one thing straight. Your rabbits are not our responsibility, nor is your financial loss. We are not obliged to put spikes on our fence to protect your pets from a neighbouring cat. Your rabbits will still be at risk from birds, foxes and other predators whether the spikes are there or not. We do not want spikes on our fence. We are not putting spikes on our fence. Please do not contact us about this matter again.

Send that. Cheeky bastards.

Ladyofthelake53 · 19/09/2022 22:11

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 22:02

I suggested getting a run, and their exact words were: 'why should they go in a run when we can make the garden safe. I just find this really unkind, but no worries, the rabbits will just not be able to have the life they had before and I’ve wasted money I can’t really afford paying for half a job and materials.'

Ridiculous. They sound like my parents neighbours who don't believe in maintaining their garden so wildlife can take over so its just a complete overgrown mess encroaching on my parents property not to mention the numerous bird feeders that entice many rats but that's ok apparently. 🙄

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 22:11

HappyKoala56 · 19/09/2022 22:05

We used to have rabbits who roamed free in our garden, and I must admit they loved it. We put a cat flap in the garage door so they could always get shelter (their hutches were also in the garage). The odd time we had visits from a cat - the bunnies had a bit of a Warren dug out at the end of the garden so they just took refuge down there and the cat never followed. It got bored and never really came back. I know it's the norm to keep rabbits in a hutch or run but in 15 years we never had any emergencies due to foxes, cats or birds and the rabbits got to live their best life

Sounds like you had a good set up where they could get shelter/refuge if they needed to. These rabbits just have their hutch with the door open in the summer and the shed in the winter, with the door is open.
Plus, it doesn't sound like you tried to force your neighbours to get cat repellent spikes on their fences.

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londonlass71 · 19/09/2022 22:14

The rabbits shouldn't be running free unsupervised anyway. If they are desperate, they can build/buy a run that is carpool and safe without the need for spikes
YANBU

DisforDarkChocolate · 19/09/2022 22:14

YANBU.

Sparrowhawks near me, I wonder if they like little rabbits?

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 22:16

Ladyofthelake
Honestly, their garden is completely the opposite. It's very minimal. Just a shed, a patio area and they have astroturf instead of grass and the garden is absolutely perfect. They hoover the rabbit poo and they clear up any straw that falls out of the hutch.
They just let the rabbits have free run.

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WhiskerPatrol · 19/09/2022 22:18

Poor little rabbits living on horrible plastic astroturf that they can't nibble! Your neighbours are dicks. If they actually cared about their pets' quality of life they'd put down real grass for them. And YANBU about your fence.

Dunnoburt · 19/09/2022 22:19

What's the point in letting them roam without real grass anyway...

Nothing that a run wouldn't solve IMO..... used to get bunny presents from one of my old cats....😅

OctopusBreath · 19/09/2022 22:20

They lied to you about where the spikes were going! That in itself would make me completely unsympathetic (and I do hope you called them on it.) If they'd have been honest, you would have told them no immediately and they needn't have spent a single penny on useless rubber spikes. Cheeky fuckers.

Ladyofthelake53 · 19/09/2022 22:23

What's the bloody point if there's no grass !

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