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Another neighbour one...

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whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 20:39

We've had a fairly good relationship with our neighbour up to now, so am genuinely curious as to whether my view is skewed or not.

We live in a semi detached and have done for the last 10 years.
There have been occasions over this time where we've helped next door out, usually with things like appliances having broken and pests in the garden or house. We've never asked a thing of next door as we generally get on with our own stuff or hire someone to fix it ourselves.

Now onto my issue.
Next door has rabbits. They are those small rabbits, even though fully grown. They are allowed to run free in the garden over the daytime, even with everyone at work/school.

Recently, a neighbours cat has shown interest in the rabbits, so understandably next door is worried about this and has decided to make the garden 'safe'. The plan, as we were told it, was it put anti cat spikes on their shed and the shed next door (not ours, the other side). I thought it was weird at the time, thinking just having them on the shed wouldn't do anything but didn't say anything.
Next thing I get a message a couple of weeks ago to say the workmen are coming, could they access the shed from my garden. I said no problem, just to tell me when they needed to come in and I'd put the dog inside, as I wasn't working that day. I double checked that they were just going on the shed, and they said yes!
I was putting some stuff away upstairs and looked out the window, and noticed the workmen had put the spikes all round the top of the fence on their other neighbours side, and the back, and that they were now measuring the fence on my side. So I went out, and asked if they were planning to put them on our fence, he said yes, that's what they'd been paid to do. He said 'well that halts my next question, as I was going to ask if we could put them on your side of the fence, as it is the flat side'
I explained that I'd been told they were just going on their shed, not the fences, and as the fence is under our ownership, we weren't happy about them being on there at all, let alone our side, especially as we hadn't been asked.
The workman was fine, said no worries, they'd pack up and let the neighbour know and that as the fence is ours, they couldn't continue.

The neighbour messaged the same day, asking us to reconsider and at least think about it.

Fast forward to this weekend, where after us having reiterated our point that we didn't want them on our fence. We explained that we don't like how they look, don't want the screws coming through to our side, and also don't think that they are actually going to fix the problem. We've now had a barrage of stroppy messages blaming us for the money they spent on materials, that the rabbits now can't run free because it's not safe and that we've ruined their lives.

So, AIBU to think that having rabbits running around the garden, regardless of cat spikes, is a bad idea? That we're not dicks for not wanting spikes on our fence? And that they should have been honest from the start?

Thank you to anyone who got this far 😂

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whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 23:24

dworky · 19/09/2022 23:22

They just need to build a rabbit run.

I agree, but apparently they don't see 'why they should have to go in a run, when the spikes on the fence will stop the cat from getting into the garden'.

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moonypadfootprongs · 19/09/2022 23:42

We used to have a male rabbit that chased cats (he was particularly horny so tried to mate with anything that moved 🙄) it was a good few years after he died before any of the local cats reappeared on our fences 🤣

Ticksallboxes · 19/09/2022 23:42

I think it's wonderful that they let their rabbits run free rather than keeping them cooped up!

But spikes are not going to deter cats - they'll need a super high fence all round. So I'd just say no to them.

oakleaffy · 19/09/2022 23:49

@whatstheproblemguys
No way on God’s Green Earth will spikes keep out cats.
Or foxes.
if they are those silly little plastic spikes, cats don’t give a toss about them.
A cat will get in.

Lalliella · 19/09/2022 23:54

Presumably the spikes could seriously injure cats? That’s really cruel. They are horrible people, and you are extremely not unreasonable.

oakleaffy · 19/09/2022 23:54

whatstheproblemguys · 19/09/2022 21:49

It's the ones in the picture. I think they are legal, but equally I think they're useless 😂

Those are actually crocks of shite!
They don’t work.
Razor wire might work , but those silly little plastic cone things are simply scrambled over.

oakleaffy · 19/09/2022 23:55

Lalliella · 19/09/2022 23:54

Presumably the spikes could seriously injure cats? That’s really cruel. They are horrible people, and you are extremely not unreasonable.

They are useless and harmless.
See OP’s pic.

whatstheproblemguys · 20/09/2022 00:03

Lalliella · 19/09/2022 23:54

Presumably the spikes could seriously injure cats? That’s really cruel. They are horrible people, and you are extremely not unreasonable.

It's these. I honestly don't even think the cat will touch them. They're tiny and at the very least, might feel slightly uncomfortable under its foot, by no means are we talking fatal injuries or impaling.

Another neighbour one...
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MsRosley · 20/09/2022 00:05

I imagine the rabbits' lives have been pretty much ruined by the horrible plastic grass they've got. Poor blighters.

Tumbleweed101 · 20/09/2022 00:13

My cat is a super hunter (farm cat kitten) but she has never touched adult rabbits or adult guinea pigs. I did lose a couple of baby rabbits to her but never adult ones. Has your neighbour had an actually incident with the cats or just worried?

whatstheproblemguys · 20/09/2022 00:19

Tumbleweed101 · 20/09/2022 00:13

My cat is a super hunter (farm cat kitten) but she has never touched adult rabbits or adult guinea pigs. I did lose a couple of baby rabbits to her but never adult ones. Has your neighbour had an actually incident with the cats or just worried?

They have sent me video footage of said cat actually pouncing on one of the rabbits. The rabbit was quick and scarpered away. Cat did chase and went out of frame but there was no damage to the rabbit, so it must have either been too quick or the cat gave up.
Cat is small enough that I think it would be able to get anywhere the rabbit can get too. This cat has bought numerous birds home to the family, but all been quite small ones.

Next door are super friendly with the cat owner family, but when they said about the cat getting the rabbits, the cat owner laughed it off and said she was the one most likely to get a vet bill as rabbits can fight back, despite them saying the cat could cause the rabbits to go into shock. So that avenue of solution was closed.

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marblemad · 20/09/2022 00:54

They are aware any spikes would typically invalidate any kind of insurances right? Good thing you stood your ground as with it being your fence it would have impacted you. They should do what any sane rabbit owner would do and supervise or get a large outdoor run for the rabbits, it isn't fair on the cat to A)potentially get injured or B) be kept in for some rabbits that wouldn't care! Do they also expect any other animals such as foxes, moles and birds of prey to magically never go in the garden either ??

whatstheproblemguys · 20/09/2022 00:57

marblemad · 20/09/2022 00:54

They are aware any spikes would typically invalidate any kind of insurances right? Good thing you stood your ground as with it being your fence it would have impacted you. They should do what any sane rabbit owner would do and supervise or get a large outdoor run for the rabbits, it isn't fair on the cat to A)potentially get injured or B) be kept in for some rabbits that wouldn't care! Do they also expect any other animals such as foxes, moles and birds of prey to magically never go in the garden either ??

I didn't know that! Why does it invalidate insurance?
Be good to have the reasoning in my back pocket for round 3!

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JestersTear · 20/09/2022 01:07

Our neighbours waited until we were away and then put spikes on the fence between our gardens. We have cats, they have no pets.
We waited until they were away and took them off again.
They have never been mentioned...

marblemad · 20/09/2022 01:34

whatstheproblemguys · 20/09/2022 00:57

I didn't know that! Why does it invalidate insurance?
Be good to have the reasoning in my back pocket for round 3!

My grandad was ex high up police for around 40 years and would never let any of the family get them and showed us the fine print on the insurance, it invalidates as you have a duty of care over others that come into contact so if they get injured even if breaking into your garden you are liable, also it has to be declared as a use of security/vandal protection etc and can be seen as excessive use of force same for barbed wire hence why typically paints are used.

marblemad · 20/09/2022 01:36

whatstheproblemguys · 20/09/2022 00:57

I didn't know that! Why does it invalidate insurance?
Be good to have the reasoning in my back pocket for round 3!

Also as it's seen as excessive use of force, if an insured cat or dog got seriously injured or died from the spikes the person putting them up would be liable as the intent was clearly to deter and cause harm.

pictish · 20/09/2022 06:09

“Next door are super friendly with the cat owner family, but when they said about the cat getting the rabbits, the cat owner laughed it off and said she was the one most likely to get a vet bill as rabbits can fight back, despite them saying the cat could cause the rabbits to go into shock. So that avenue of solution was closed.”

So the actual cat owner has laughed at and dismissed them over this, which they accepted as ‘avenue closed’ but they are upset with you not wanting to modify your property to protect their rabbits from it.
Look…they are tripping. Just tell them no and not to raise it with you again.

pictish · 20/09/2022 06:27

Not that the cat owners can do a thing about it either, mind…not if the cat roams.

Also…free range rabbits on astroturf? They’re a wee bit mad. Ignore their foot stamping and guilt tripping over the stupid spikes. If cat owner can laugh them off, so can you.

Sunnyqueen · 20/09/2022 07:01

They won't stop the cat. Years ago our old ndn's did the same thing put spikes up all over the fences and shed to stop our cat going in to the other side. Cat literally didn't give two shits about them and would often sleep on the spikes for hours.

whatstheproblemguys · 20/09/2022 07:17

pictish · 20/09/2022 06:09

“Next door are super friendly with the cat owner family, but when they said about the cat getting the rabbits, the cat owner laughed it off and said she was the one most likely to get a vet bill as rabbits can fight back, despite them saying the cat could cause the rabbits to go into shock. So that avenue of solution was closed.”

So the actual cat owner has laughed at and dismissed them over this, which they accepted as ‘avenue closed’ but they are upset with you not wanting to modify your property to protect their rabbits from it.
Look…they are tripping. Just tell them no and not to raise it with you again.

It's only because they're more friendly than we are, so they obviously didn't want to push them on it, so they decided we're the easier target I think.

I'm just glad that literally everyone seems to agree with me! I've not said anything that is untrue or coloured it from my angle, so now I'm certain that I should stand my ground.

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whatstheproblemguys · 20/09/2022 07:18

Sunnyqueen · 20/09/2022 07:01

They won't stop the cat. Years ago our old ndn's did the same thing put spikes up all over the fences and shed to stop our cat going in to the other side. Cat literally didn't give two shits about them and would often sleep on the spikes for hours.

Omg that's so funny! I kind of hope this happens 🤭

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Databe · 20/09/2022 08:28

Run rabbit, run rabbit, run, run, run. Only wild rabbits are free. Pets need proper housing/hutches.

Fraaahnces · 20/09/2022 08:39

You could also mention that you didn’t report them to the council for their vermin problem, and they need to accept that they are accountable for the choices they make, the lies they tell and that claiming that rabbits shouldn’t be confined, while leaving them out all day on fake grass made of plastic is entirely hypocritical.

Fraaahnces · 20/09/2022 08:40

You could also mention that you didn’t report them to the council for their vermin problem, and they need to accept that they are accountable for the choices they make, the lies they tell and that claiming that rabbits shouldn’t be confined, while leaving them out all day on fake grass made of plastic is entirely hypocritical.

EasilyDistracted77 · 21/09/2022 08:04

Ruined their lives?! It's a bit overly dramatic isn't it?

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