To find some language offensive about the funeral?

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Out at the pub tonight and talk turns to the queens funeral.

Im not an ardent royalist or anything but I will be watching as a historical event and in recognition of the queens service.

My friend is very left wing and said ‘I won’t be watching, fuck that,, fuck the monarchy, I won’t be watching to save the electric’. (This is someone who does not have to count the pennies).

AIBU to say this was a bit offensive, and a simple ‘I won’t be watching, it’s not for me’ would have been fine and respectful to people who do want to watch,

It almost seems as though being offensive is ‘cool’.

King Charles gives his entire income and received about 30% back as sovereign grant.

This sort of argument is really frustrating too. Do you think if Prince Charles was born on a sink estate he'd have the wealth he does now?

He was born with an income the majority of us would never see in 10 lifetimes...just stop it!

I don't think she said anything that awful tbh. She was having a bit of a rant to a friend. Not a crime.

I absolutely have no words

You could've just not replied then 🤣

I do think her language is offensive and I am NO royalist.
In this day and age , spending so much is awful and i'm at work as i need the enhanced hours tbh. However, perhaps the pomp gives people some false reassurance that Britain is still great.

However, I'd never use this language about the dead regardless of how much i like them.

Fwiw i think the Queen is inspirational to so many and she did the right thing stripping Andrew of his titles. I really like Charles too because of his climate stance. I just wish this country would spread the wealth.

I quite like Stephen Fry's words on "being offended"...

“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what?"

[I saw hate in a graveyard -- Stephen Fry, The Guardian, 5 June 2005]”

And there it is. People who do care just haven’t looked deeply enough and just don’t understand. But you do. You get it because you (predictably) ‘think outside the box’.

Same. I'm far more grateful to the woman who serves me in the corner shop and the mechanic who fixes my car, both of whom are far less well paid for their services to society. Most people serve the country in some way.

I understand the grief on some level - having this scenario play out in the public eye brings back memories of older relatives dying - but the "there's a time and place" argument annoys me, since this period of national sycophancy is a symptom of exactly what a lot of republicans object to.

Having said that, I do agree that there are a lot of people who try to be offensive by swearing and trying to be outrageous etc. It makes me cringe for them rather than offends me though.

The idea that £6 billion has been spent on the Queen's funeral as in the Government
has somehow taken £6 billion that could have been spent on the NHS and blew it on hearses and queue wristbands is ridiculous.

The figure is a notional, and frankly spurious assessment of the impact on the economy.

Bank Holidays are said to cost the economy billions, but that's only because someone has assessed things like the annual turnover of a business, and divided that by the number of days, and assumed that the lost day means lost revenue, when all it really means is that people's spending is largely just transferred to a different day. Take my father-in-law. His birthday is today... he was going out for a meal today, but did it yesterday instead. It's the same logic as saying that if only shops opened all night they'd double their profits!

But that's inconvenient truth for those who like to wallow in bitterness...

Yes, it's pathetic. They feel the need to swear like teenagers who do it to sound cool infront of their 'gang'. It's so graceless and mannerless. A simple 'I'm not a monarchist' says everything. Most of them will give nothing to the country.

I'm not a supporter of the Royal Family as an extended group and would prefer something slimmed down, but I'd rather some kind of constitutional monarchy than an elected head of state like the US.

Wonder what the reactions will be if we get the extra Bank holiday for ‘Elizabeth day’ every year from next year.

I'm disgusted by the behaviour of Celtic fans last week. Disgusting chants and banners. And my DH is a Celtic fan

The issue with saying 'don't discuss the future of the monarchy now, it's disrespectful, she's only just died'...is that a new King was declared before she was even cold. So the RF isn't hanging around to continue the status quo.

Yes! I'm with Stephen on this.

Sigh. That's how succession works. It's instant. "The King is dead, long live the King." Couldn't be any other way when it's hereditary.

Just signing in...

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in recognition of the queens service.

I find that offensive. How can you class what she did in her life as a service to us? She lived a life of luxury and privilege. She never had to do her own food shop, go on the bus, pay bills, do life admin, or clean her own house. Everything in her life was handed to her on a plate a sliver plate.

I'm offended by the narrative of 'a nation mourns' and 'a country united in grief' nonsense when I don't know a single person that actually cares.

I'm also offended by the obscene amount of money being spent on it.

Not offensive at all. And barely different in substance from your little script.
The queen’s death is sad for her family but absolutely not a national tragedy- the woman was 96, had a very full and happy life, long marriage, 4 healthy kids, grandkids, fantastic houses, more than enough money, and never appeared to have significant health issues (cancer etc). For those people who are saying it’s like losing a member of the family I can only assume that they’ve never lost a child, parent or other close family as it is nothing like it. Personally I find that much more offensive than what your friend said.

You can be as offended as you like. Nobody needs to take any particular notice of it though. Go and have a Magnum or something.

You'd do well to learn OP that you aren't entitled to respect for the political views you hold about the monarchy.

Obviously everyone has the right to be offended by whatever they like, you can be offended because the sky is blue if you want, but if you don't want to hear opinions you don't like on an issue then your best bet is to refuse to engage in conversation on the matter altogether. You will find that there are actually quite a lot of people who feel as your friend does, and still others who don't think you sitting on your arse watching the funeral amounts to any respect at all. With that in mind, if you want to not be offended then you should take action accordingly.

Brilliant post.

She has a marmalade sandwich with Paddington Bear for a start!

I agree OP.

The Queen, a human has died have a bit of respect.

I think a lot of people are done with having this rammed down their throats, I can't take anymore talking in hushed tones about how wonderful 1 person was. She was just a person. All other news has largely been ignored to focus on this person, a 9 year old shot dead in her home barely had her funeral make it as a news item on that day in favour of reporting on the queue. The cost of living crisis has been swept under the carpet to fawn over a family of billionaires who incidentally won't be paying inheritance tax because well, they are special. Not everyone loves the monarchy and many people just feel exhausted after 12 days solid of it. About 700,000 people queued like a bunch of deranged sheep, there are 60 million or so people in this country so it's a very small percentage overall (even smaller really as some peole travelled from overseas). Saying rude things is simply bravado in the pub, but many people are simply tired of it all.