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Mushroo · 2022-09-18T22:50:01+00:00

Out at the pub tonight and talk turns to the queens funeral. Im not an ardent royalist or anything but I will be watching as a historical event and in recognition of the queens service. My friend is very left wing and said ‘I won’t be watching, fuck that,, fuck the monarchy, I won’t be watching to save the electric’. (This is someone who does not have to count the pennies). AIBU to say this was a bit offensive, and a simple ‘I won’t be watching, it’s not for me’ would have been fine and respectful to people who do want to watch, It almost seems as though being offensive is ‘cool’.

Branleuse · 19/09/2022 15:16

BorgQueen · 19/09/2022 09:47

Like it or not, this is a huge boost for Britain, we are centre stage and there is no other country, not one, that does these events as well as us. The whole world is watching this, in some part to see how it is (and should be) done.
If you aren’t proud, there is something wrong with you.

The whole world is watching us to see how what should be done? Funerals?

Why the fuck do you think theres 'something wrong' with people who dont feel proud of this complete pantomime

Blossomtoes · 19/09/2022 15:19

TarasHarp55 · 19/09/2022 15:10

*My mum was in the same service, you couldn't get a better source than that. Like someone just said, the idea that she was there in a meaningful capacity is ludicrous. It's understandable that she wasn't going to be treated like the rest of them, but I don't see why she should be given credit for something she hadn't done.

The royal family have always been good at accepting credit for something they haven't done to earn it. You only have to look at their ridiculous array of medals they adorn themselves with.*

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Oh give over. That’s like me saying I know someone I’ve never met is a skiver because we both work in the NHS. You’re being ridiculous.

AndTwoFilmsByFrancoisTruffaut · 19/09/2022 15:21

TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael · 19/09/2022 11:43

Guarantee it is the same people who spaffed the word "selfish" all over the place during covid. They have switched from covid policing, to waving ukranian flags, to weeping in the streets over the death of a rich old stranger.

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👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼

TarasHarp55 · 19/09/2022 15:22

Hearthnhome · 19/09/2022 14:46

My exh grandmother was in the ATS. She loves the Queen, exactly for what she did during the war and she did infact work as hard as others and was just as skilled

Whilst having to go back and forth for other duties, obviously.

So where does that leave us?

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As someone just pointed out the queen only started her training in march 45. The war passed her by. So I don't know who your ex's grandmother was talking about but it certainly wasn't the queen. My mum loved her time in the ATS, it was her whole world. It's an insult to her to imply the queen did as much as her. She didn't. So that's where that leaves us.

Branleuse · 19/09/2022 15:33

Hearthnhome · 19/09/2022 12:20

Surely she would have needed to that even if the Queen hasn’t died or had a direct cremation?

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Are you serious?
Way to miss the point

TarasHarp55 · 19/09/2022 15:33

Blossomtoes · 19/09/2022 14:17

Ah yes, the famous Norman Baker book, ie biased republican rant. Every anti monarchist relies on it as if it was the Bible, you’re just thinking in a different box.

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A book that blows the lid off what really goes on described as a biased rant? I wonder why that would be. Oh yes because the truth hurts and royalists don't want to hear it. It doesn't matter if you call it biased or not, it's a factual book. If not he'd no doubt have been sued by now. The book must really rankle with royalists. That pesky truth shattering all those illusions eh. How dare he.

TarasHarp55 · 19/09/2022 15:35

DdraigGoch · 19/09/2022 09:28

Lots of people get born into wealth. Not me, admittedly, but singling out one person for vitriol is a bit daft.

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Yes lots of people are born into wealth, but not wealth that comes off the taxpayer.

vera99 · 19/09/2022 16:17

Just ordered it off Amazon obviously over the target!

www.amazon.co.uk/What-Do-You-Royal-Family/dp/1785904914

A forensic examination of what the Royal Family means to Britain.--
Sussex Express

With our democracy in turmoil, it's right to be asking questions about constitutional reform, and that includes the role of the royal family. Norman Baker tackles the subject with his trademark energy and in forensic detail looking at the facts beyond the headlines. An important book for anyone serious about questioning how our country is run.
--Caroline Lucas MP

They are the pinnacle of privilege, leading enviably gilded lives, but how much do we really know of the royal family's cosy, taxpayer-funded existence? Norman Baker goes behind palace walls to shine a much-needed light on this most secretive of institutions and expose the greed, hypocrisy and yes disregard for public money which keeps it afloat. Filled with fascinating detail and insight, ... And What Do You Do? is an essential primer for understanding the myth of modern royalty. --Richard Kay, royal writer for the Daily Mail

deviatedseptum · 19/09/2022 16:33

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vera99 · 19/09/2022 16:48

You can read the introduction for free on the link below quite an eye-opener!!

www.amazon.co.uk/What-Do-You-Royal-Family/dp/1785904914

We have our Willy Hamilton for the modern era. He was a lone voice for studious anti-monarchical research when I was growing up.

I guess Elizabeth Windsor now gets to know whether her unshakeable belief in Jesus and God were justified and if so will the rich man/eye of needle terms and condition cut in?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Hamilton

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vera99 · 19/09/2022 17:18

Or read a well-researched and written book by an ex-MP, Minister of State and member of the Privy Council who sheds light on the true nature of wealth and power of the British Royal Family. Got to be worth a read if you are of a curious mind and republican bent. Sounds like kryptonite to royalists, and anyway I have had enough fawning, breathless praise to last for the rest of my lifetime, thank you very much.

Blossomtoes · 19/09/2022 17:21

If you think that’s well written you have extremely low standards. It just reinforces what you already thought.

vera99 · 19/09/2022 17:34

To the knockers, a 1-star review doesn't hold back ...

What I read, literally from Chapter One, was pure, unreserved bile, venom and anger, often written in a snide-personal manner. A personal bug-bear of mine is his description of staff - decent hard-working people doing a decent job for the head of state being denigrated and described as 'flunkies.' Look up the definition "a person who performs relatively menial tasks for someone else, especially obsequiously." The sub-title 'What the Royal Family Don't want you to Know...' says it all really? Norman believes in conspiracy theories - it's all a big cover-up and our friend Norman intends to uncover it and expose the Royal family as the Cuckoo in the nest of democracy - Good 'old Norman!

He repeats every slur, derogatory report, unflattering newspaper article and every piece of tittle-tattle that has ever existed and presents the whole as factual. Despite his claims to balance and objectivity neutrality - there is none, or at least none that I could find. There is no attempt to present a counter-argument at all. As an ex-Liberal Democrat MP, he exemplifies, in my opinion, the elite 'I know best' position of a party that struggles with liberal values (being fair and treating all human beings, including the Royal family, with respect and dignity) and accepting Democracy (polling suggests 80% support for the monarch) don't trouble this Lib Dem. It is no surprise that Mr Baker is an ex-MP.

So a poor book that has, of course, a legitimate aim, but spectacularly fails to deliver on its promises. I can usually appreciate some value in all books, even those whose premises I don't agree with, but not this time, I gave up serious reading halfway through. If you want to write a book supporting Republican principles please have the confidence to say so on the cover and please do not lie - and pretend you want to be balanced or neutral on a subject to get people to buy your book.

Wrinklydinkly · 19/09/2022 17:48

People are a little over sensitive about the royals (my opinion) and too easily offended on behalf of others ,your friend was just expressing strong feelings. I didn't watch the funeral, and have been actively avoiding any mention of it. It's difficult though because it's rammed down your throat all the time. It almost feels like we're being compelled to mourn for someone we didn't know, Things need to get back to normal as soon as possible,there are other things happening in the world.

CaptaNoctem · 19/09/2022 17:57

@Tryingtokeepgoing

I didn't mention the NHS?

Tryingtokeepgoing · 19/09/2022 19:43

@CaptaNoctem I realise that, but I said “to put it [the cost] in context…” when I made the comparison. People obsess about what things cost when it’s visible, and draw meaningless comparisons. So i thought I’d do the same. The cost is tiny in the great scheme of things; if the NHS were to find 1 minutes worth of efficiencies a month, it’d free up the best part of quarter of a billion pounds a year to help the poor, the starving, the homeless. But no one seems bothered about that…and that amount of money would make a real difference, unlike £10 million…

TarasHarp55 · 19/09/2022 19:49

vera99 · 19/09/2022 17:34

To the knockers, a 1-star review doesn't hold back ...

What I read, literally from Chapter One, was pure, unreserved bile, venom and anger, often written in a snide-personal manner. A personal bug-bear of mine is his description of staff - decent hard-working people doing a decent job for the head of state being denigrated and described as 'flunkies.' Look up the definition "a person who performs relatively menial tasks for someone else, especially obsequiously." The sub-title 'What the Royal Family Don't want you to Know...' says it all really? Norman believes in conspiracy theories - it's all a big cover-up and our friend Norman intends to uncover it and expose the Royal family as the Cuckoo in the nest of democracy - Good 'old Norman!

He repeats every slur, derogatory report, unflattering newspaper article and every piece of tittle-tattle that has ever existed and presents the whole as factual. Despite his claims to balance and objectivity neutrality - there is none, or at least none that I could find. There is no attempt to present a counter-argument at all. As an ex-Liberal Democrat MP, he exemplifies, in my opinion, the elite 'I know best' position of a party that struggles with liberal values (being fair and treating all human beings, including the Royal family, with respect and dignity) and accepting Democracy (polling suggests 80% support for the monarch) don't trouble this Lib Dem. It is no surprise that Mr Baker is an ex-MP.

So a poor book that has, of course, a legitimate aim, but spectacularly fails to deliver on its promises. I can usually appreciate some value in all books, even those whose premises I don't agree with, but not this time, I gave up serious reading halfway through. If you want to write a book supporting Republican principles please have the confidence to say so on the cover and please do not lie - and pretend you want to be balanced or neutral on a subject to get people to buy your book.

Sorry can't agree, it's a book I'd recommend to everyone. Hard hitting, factual, no holds barred. Of course a strong royalist will find it hard to swallow. "Flunkies" is how they see us, and I don't call pandering to the needs of a rich pampered prince a "decent job". I mean how worthwhile it must feel to scurry round after someone picking up after them and squeezing their toothpaste out.

CaptaNoctem · 19/09/2022 23:08

Tryingtokeepgoing · 19/09/2022 19:43

@CaptaNoctem I realise that, but I said “to put it [the cost] in context…” when I made the comparison. People obsess about what things cost when it’s visible, and draw meaningless comparisons. So i thought I’d do the same. The cost is tiny in the great scheme of things; if the NHS were to find 1 minutes worth of efficiencies a month, it’d free up the best part of quarter of a billion pounds a year to help the poor, the starving, the homeless. But no one seems bothered about that…and that amount of money would make a real difference, unlike £10 million…

So? This thread is not about the inefficiencies and cost of the NHS.

£10m or whatever the cost turns out to be (more than that I expect) would make a difference to the poorest cold and hungry families this winter.

lemmein · 20/09/2022 01:47

romatheroamer · 19/09/2022 09:49

I'd rather have all this than think about the lamentable recently chosen cabinet.All the posters spewing vitriol have a wonderful alternative....people who were actually elected and chosen. If they aren't watching they'll have missed Mogg in his top hat. Haven't caught a glimpse of Mad Nad though.

The likes of Mogg are elected by the very same simpering crowd that worships the royal family!

Which is an interesting point actually; even if we got rid of the monarchy it wouldn't make any difference sadly. Whoever was appointed HOS would be more of the same, because it is the deferential mindset of the Brits which sustains the status quo - and even celebrates it. I don't think as a country we're ready to stop doffing our caps to our 'betters'. It's why someone who 'accidentally 🙄' uses taxpayers money to heat his stables can be promoted to one of the highest positions in government, yet someone who has a undeclared part-time job whilst on benefits ends up in court, both with public blessing. We're just not ready for change.

Blossomtoes · 20/09/2022 15:52

TarasHarp55 · 19/09/2022 15:33

A book that blows the lid off what really goes on described as a biased rant? I wonder why that would be. Oh yes because the truth hurts and royalists don't want to hear it. It doesn't matter if you call it biased or not, it's a factual book. If not he'd no doubt have been sued by now. The book must really rankle with royalists. That pesky truth shattering all those illusions eh. How dare he.

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It doesn’t rankle because it’s biased bollocks.

By the way, please, please could you stop putting your posts in bold? It’s really hard on the eyes.

vera99 · 20/09/2022 16:25

And Royalist endless fawning about square root of bugger all on every channel for days on end isnt biased bollocks. One poxy book dares to question the dominant narrative and out come the lynch mob if its such crap ignore it and move on. After all you've got the coronation to look forward to after all and us juvenile bitter and twisted malcontents will have our noses kicked and smothered in a rerun of the bilge yet again.Phew that feels better😁

Blossomtoes · 20/09/2022 16:34

You seem much more inclined to lynch mobbery than any monarchist @vera99. You certainly care a lot more than I do. 🤷‍♀️

ReneBumsWombats · 20/09/2022 18:36

vera99 · 20/09/2022 16:25

And Royalist endless fawning about square root of bugger all on every channel for days on end isnt biased bollocks. One poxy book dares to question the dominant narrative and out come the lynch mob if its such crap ignore it and move on. After all you've got the coronation to look forward to after all and us juvenile bitter and twisted malcontents will have our noses kicked and smothered in a rerun of the bilge yet again.Phew that feels better😁

I don't understand. You've called it "poxy" and shared a one-star review that says it's shite. Do you want us to read it or not?

Hearthnhome · 20/09/2022 18:40

ReneBumsWombats · 20/09/2022 18:36

I don't understand. You've called it "poxy" and shared a one-star review that says it's shite. Do you want us to read it or not?

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Glad someone else is as confused by that as I am.

I thought the review was shared to back up why it’s a pile shite. But apparently not