To find some language offensive about the funeral?

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Out at the pub tonight and talk turns to the queens funeral.

Im not an ardent royalist or anything but I will be watching as a historical event and in recognition of the queens service.

My friend is very left wing and said ‘I won’t be watching, fuck that,, fuck the monarchy, I won’t be watching to save the electric’. (This is someone who does not have to count the pennies).

AIBU to say this was a bit offensive, and a simple ‘I won’t be watching, it’s not for me’ would have been fine and respectful to people who do want to watch,

It almost seems as though being offensive is ‘cool’.

DH wastes no opportunity to put scorn on everything, from the people queuing to see the coffin to the ceremonial outfits.

I'm no ardent royalist but it really upsets me - why can't he accept that (many/most) other people don't share his views and respect people who want to mourn in their own way.

He can vent on Twitter if he must but I'd rather he doesn't do it when we are watching TV together and I am interested and enjoying most of it.

What are the government slipping through without scrutiny? Bury bad news. Was said during 9/11 by a Labour minister I believe.

An interesting mix of opinions, and does look IABU based on the voting!

Its interesting how this period has brought out such a strong reaction in people (probably not helped by the wall to wall coverage which has been excessive).

I think I just felt the language / sentiment was a bit much to describe a funeral. A simple ‘I’m not watching’ would have been fine, I have no problem with people hating the monarchy as we’re all entitled to our views (and I’m definitely not an ardent monarchist!) but people should be respectful.

For example, I’m not religious at all and actually disagree with most religions, but if the pope died I’d respect he means a lot to other people, and just let them crack on.

So if someone says "fuck immigrants, they can piss off, we don't want them here" they should absolutely be able to say that and it's your problem if you find it offensive?

But would you be offended by the sentiment or the expletive? Both? If someone presented a coherent argument as to why they were not in favour of immigrants, would you be offended? You can waste your energy feeling offended, but what difference will it make? People have different views. My FIL said very plainly last night that he does not 'agree' with homosexuality. I strongly disagree with him and I think he is ignorant. But I'm not offended. And his lesbian granddaughter is not offended. She just thinks he's an idiot.

Wonder what the reactions will be if we get the extra Bank holiday for ‘Elizabeth day’ every year from next year

Killjoy woke liberals will self combust

Odd that you would interpret this as being about TV coverage. Even if we discuss only the official period of mourning and not the imposition of a new head of state part, you cannot possibly imagine that the impact of it has amounted solely to the telly and a couple of silences?

It's a political process, with all the good and bad that entails. People will and are entitled to react accordingly.

No. She did the job properly, albeit alongside other duties as well. She did not just wear hats and say nothing, as that poster claimed.

You don't have to love the monarchy for it, but you don't help your cause by deciding everything a royal does didn't happen because it suits you.

I was called disrespectful the other day for saying carboot sales shouldn't be on today.

I understand not everyone 'follows' the monarchy, which is fine, you do you hun, but have respect for those who do. A simple no I won't be watching would suffice!!

@ClinkeyMonkey
“offensive” is subjective. So the OP is pointless. The only questions that matter are

1. is that expression of views legal? (Yes- although intolerance of free speech seems to be gaining the upper hand right across the political spectrum) and
2. was it offensive TO ME?”

You have some respect. By your own logic, a simple statement of your views without you feeling the need to tell others how they should express theirs or what they should be doing would suffice. Anything else is hypocrisy.

It’s not worth getting upset over. Just stay home, or wherever else you’re planning to be, and watch the funeral.

I live in a new build and they are still finishing off the last few houses behind us. Was surprised yesterday morning to see roofers at work - contractors have occasionally worked on a Saturday morning, but never on a Sunday. I reasoned that maybe they were working yesterday, so they could take today off without impacting the schedule. But when I came down this morning I saw the contractor’s car park open with a couple of cars in there, which means there is work going on somewhere on the site.

At first, I was really shocked and briefly considered emailing customer services to complain. But then I thought, what’s the point? There is none. It is a free country - thank God - and if people don’t want to watch the funeral or observe any particular act of respect, they are at liberty to do so. I just hope that what they’re doing isn’t noisy, or that if it is, they will have the courtesy to take a break towards the end of the service for the 2 minutes silence.

I think MN does not in any way speak for the majority!!!!

Such a shame that lots on here can’t show any respect or grace.

Says a lot about the person.

The fact that you feel entitled to decide what constitutes respect and grace in this situation says a lot about you. All of it bad.

YANBU, I know someone similar and usually laugh (privately) at her hypocrisy.

She's been out there on the picket lines recently showing solidarity with the striking postman. And posting about it on SM Next thing she's on FB looking for a cleaner to service her air B&B in the village she lives in, but 'no I don't anyone regular, it's as and when I need it doing'. Makes a change from her railing against greedy capitalist property developers and the shortage of affordable homes for young people.

Do I even need to add that she has a substantial private income to support her?

So what if you are offended? Do you think the world should never offend you?
I find everything about this charade offensive, including the 8 million pounds while children in my nursery are in poverty.

I'll get over it, views differ.

It is interesting that MN is so anti-monarchy when it's also so incredibly obsessed with class and class markers.

People are allowed to say things you don't like. It's your choice whether to be offended by them or not. Expressing a robust opinion isn't being angry, worked-up or hysterical just because it's an opinion you disagree with. You have no inherent right to go through life expecting people to choose their wirds and opinions so as not to risk offending you.

I also don't understand why anyone would think that people express anti-monarchy views 'to be cool'. It's just their opinion, and a perfectly common, normal one, not at all unusual in the UK or in the rest of the world.

If I were out with friends I'd hope they'd not be judging me as you have. They may just be having a bad day.

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not really. They aren't the same people expressing those opinions. Plus, it's just a minority of posters in either group.

@DdraigGoch

"It almost seems as though being offensive is ‘cool’.
It's been like that for a while. Certain people just cannot say "I don't believe that being a monarchy works for a democracy because reasons...". Instead they try and throw as many insults as they can think of into a sentence: "scroungers", "lizards" etc.

It just shows their lack of intellect to be honest, unable to construct a coherent argument.

I completely agree and they're here with us today on MN, as @Eddieisadick demonstrates with their comment.....

"Oh absolutely fuck the monarchy. Fuck their leeching off UK people whilst there’s families that can’t eat and heat. Fuck them covering up their paedophile princes. They’re gross"

Providing us with such balanced, insightful, articulate and intellectual reasoning that supports their argument that the monarchy should be abolished.

YABU.
This enforced mourning period feels incredibly creepy to some of us, and people can voice that however they want.

Tbh the whole pomp and ceremony is making me sick. So theatrical and medieval. The enforced sycophancy.
Ive never agreed with monarchy as a concept or in reality. I dont get it and I resent the whole thing.

I dont feel the slightest bit sorry for any of them. It all leaves me cold. Another billionaire gone and no inheritence tax for them either? Cant be justified.

It is interesting that MN is so anti-monarchy when it's also so incredibly obsessed with class and class markers.

But the majority of posts about class are not people enthusing about how great it is to have a class system, are they? Class markers still exist in the UK whether we like it or not. Culturally they are an interesting thing to discuss.

Saying that the volume of discussion about class on MN means that MNers overwhelmingly love the class system would be as inaccurate as saying that the volume of discussion about the royal family means that MNers are overwhelmingly pro-royal.

Completely agree.