To find some language offensive about the funeral?

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Out at the pub tonight and talk turns to the queens funeral.

Im not an ardent royalist or anything but I will be watching as a historical event and in recognition of the queens service.

My friend is very left wing and said ‘I won’t be watching, fuck that,, fuck the monarchy, I won’t be watching to save the electric’. (This is someone who does not have to count the pennies).

AIBU to say this was a bit offensive, and a simple ‘I won’t be watching, it’s not for me’ would have been fine and respectful to people who do want to watch,

It almost seems as though being offensive is ‘cool’.

Don't worry some people will say apparently "tourism" pays for that

I don't decide that at all. But how do you know she did her job properly. You're not helping your cause either by deciding a royal did things because you think so. Her duties were not at all the same as her peers. Just the same as now, the royals who have "jobs" can dip in and out of them at will.

Yeah, you maybe want to look outside your little bubble if you think this.

Sorry, plenty of places can do overblown cringe fests just as insanely as the UK. We're not special.

I'll be happy if I never have to hear the bloody word 'respect' again.

Define respect and grace.

You mean people acting the way you approve of?

Respect is earnt. You don't get to tell me who is worthy of my respect. I decide that.

It only ever means people acting in the way they approve of, yep. Self appointed arbiters of decency. It's funny really, you'd think pro monarchist people would be better at knowing their place.

You find it offensive...so be offended. But so what? Why is your offence of any interest to anyone else?

Guarantee it is the same people who spaffed the word "selfish" all over the place during covid. They have switched from covid policing, to waving ukranian flags, to weeping in the streets over the death of a rich old stranger.

@TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael agreed!

But you missed clapping for the NHS
and key workers was another one of their buzz words!

Someone died in my hometown the day after the Queen. Her mum had to start a go fund me page for her funeral costs.

I can see why people might drop the f bomb.

so YABU.

Surely she would have needed to that even if the Queen hasn’t died or had a direct cremation?

But that’s exactly my point - I’m not trying to stop you having an opinion. You are entitled to yours - but others are entitled to theirs too. You’re the one saying they can’t possibly be feeling how they do - and that’s grossly unreasonable.

As it happens, I agree with your opinion. I can’t quite comprehend such depth of feeling in these circumstances. But it’s not for me, or you, to suggest their feelings aren’t possible, or are ridiculous.

As I said before, this occasion may be retriggering emotions for more personal losses, hence the depth of feeling.

Because all the evidence is that she did, including contemporary accounts from the time, and the armed forces wouldn't have it any other way. (And will you people stop assuming I'm a royalist just for pointing out a few facts? There was a twit a few days ago who was bitching about me being a royalist because she asked whether most Brits were in favour of the monarchy and I linked YouGov polls that gave her the answer. I'm not a royalist just because I'm not a bloody liar.)

I don't know why this is so impossible for you to believe. The royals have a long history of national service. The Queen, then princess, signed up at 18, trained as a mechanic and drove ambulances as part of the war effort. You don't have to be a royalist over it but it's plain paranoid rubbish to claim it didn't happen or if it did, it didn't count.

And it's one reason why I thought she was rather badass. Which is why I mentioned it to the poster who thought I couldn't possibly have any legitimate reason.

I'm not denying she briefly trained to be an ambulance driver, mechanic or whatever. I'm just saying that there were many reports that she didn't put full days in like her co workers...My mum was in the ATS in those times and it was common knowledge that she was dropped off but picked up soon after... As usual another exercise in public relations, which they are rather good at.

Ah yes, the famous Norman Baker book, ie biased republican rant. Every anti monarchist relies on it as if it was the Bible, you’re just thinking in a different box.

She was a member of the ATS, not an ambulance driver or whatever. The women who actually served with her - as opposed to your mum - have a different view.

Offended is a strong word for me. Just because people use language I wouldn't or have views that I don't, doesn't mean I should get my knickers in a twist.

You must also remember that whilst many love her in the UK, there are millions who saw her as the face of the old Empire. The UK did some horrific stuff to people over the years, and they still remember being under British rule whilst she was reigning.

I personally object to people being given all that money, power and influence just because of some accident of birth. People say she served the country well. Bloody right! If my family had a net worth of £28 BILLION quid, get to live in 12 castles free of charge and get to walk around opening buildings and shaking hands... well... I wouldn't complain about the service I provide either.

Anyway! I admired her as a figurehead but thats about it.

My mum was in the ATS, was yours? therefore I probably knew better. Where's your source? My mum didn't lie.

My exh grandmother was in the ATS. She loves the Queen, exactly for what she did during the war and she did infact work as hard as others and was just as skilled

Whilst having to go back and forth for other duties, obviously.

So where does that leave us?

Driving an ambulance around Windsor Great Park or wherever it was with some jolly hockey sticks pals doesn't count as 'service.' In fact I've always found it insulting to those who actually did serve in the field of war eg Dunkirk, Arnhem, Stalingrad when they hyperbolise and eulogise the queen's war record.
Service for me isn't being paid billions of taxpayers' cash to turn up and open a museum, or go to a charity gala, but it's the careworkers, refuse workers, police, NHS, teachers etc who actually make this country a better and safer place.
Strange to think you call people 'bloody liars' as they don't share your political opinion.

Loved not loves. She died in 2010

My source is interviews with women who served alongside the Queen, not just happened to be in the same service - which had 190,000 members.

Why would your mum know anything about it?
The facts are well known..she began mechanic training in March 45, finished in April 45, and the war ended 3 weeks later in early May 45. She slept at home in Windsor Castle instead of on the camp with everyone else.

The idea that she actually served in a meaningful capacity is ludicrous!

*My mum was in the same service, you couldn't get a better source than that. Like someone just said, the idea that she was there in a meaningful capacity is ludicrous. It's understandable that she wasn't going to be treated like the rest of them, but I don't see why she should be given credit for something she hadn't done.

The royal family have always been good at accepting credit for something they haven't done to earn it. You only have to look at their ridiculous array of medals they adorn themselves with.*