To find some language offensive about the funeral?

[Mushroo]

Out at the pub tonight and talk turns to the queens funeral.

Im not an ardent royalist or anything but I will be watching as a historical event and in recognition of the queens service.

My friend is very left wing and said ‘I won’t be watching, fuck that,, fuck the monarchy, I won’t be watching to save the electric’. (This is someone who does not have to count the pennies).

AIBU to say this was a bit offensive, and a simple ‘I won’t be watching, it’s not for me’ would have been fine and respectful to people who do want to watch,

It almost seems as though being offensive is ‘cool’.

Like it or not, this is a huge boost for Britain, we are centre stage and there is no other country, not one, that does these events as well as us

Well yes, we’ve had centuries of bowing, scraping and forelock tugging whilst more enlightened nations rose up against autocracy and inherited heads of state.

And I can’t be the only one who recalls the contempt in which royalty was held over the “annus horribilis”, Charles’ affair and Diana…did I dream those tabloid headlines? Seems pretty hypocritical to me. People were speculating that the monarchy would end. The palace PR seems to have played a blinder since then.

My views might be “offensive” to some, but they were also my views in the 80’s and 90’s, at which time plenty of those who are now engaging in competitive mourning agreed with me!

100% this. ^ Your so-called friend must be one of those rude and unpleasant goady feckers on Twitter, who come up with nasty, derogatory, snide remarks like flag-shaggers, forelock tuggers, gammon, bigot, Karen, boomer, etc etc. Along with F words and C words... (There are a few posters like this on this site too.)

They are best ignored. I don't engage with them, because they are such angry people, who INSIST they are right, and DEMAND to know why you don't think like them, and shout BIGOT and GAMMON at anyone who isn't far left/left leaning, and God forbid you don't hate the Royal family. They just cannot handle it that others have a different view to them, and they are honestly SO much spoiling for a fight. There was one far-left poster on a thread last night who was completely out of control to be honest. Most of their posts got deleted, understandably.

Have to say @Mushroo , I would find it very hard to be friends with this person you mention. I would be changing my phone number and giving her a wide berth. Why are you even friends with someone like this? She sounds vile.

I wonder if you can see what's offensive and disrespectful about your massive generalisation.

It’s entirely possible to appreciate what the Queen did, respect the way she did it and feel sad for her immediate family now she’s dead without feeling the need to take part in the mawkish grief top trumps and pageantry that seem to have taken over.

She was a 96 year old woman had lived a very good life, had a positive influence on a lot of people in that time and, and insofar as you can, had a very good death - at home in a place she loved, active until almost the end, and with family around. Isn’t that enough? I can’t see why those of us who appreciate what’s she’s done but abhor the media circus and competitive grieving that’s followed are any less respectful. In fact, I’d argue that we are being more respectful!! There’s not a lot of dignity in having one’s coffin paraded round Scotland and Westminster, after all… So much for resting in peace ;)

Each to their own. I think you should just accept that caring about the funeral isn’t for everyone and they can use whatever language they like.

Yep.

If you are only friends with people who share your own political opinions you will end up living in an echo chamber. I really enjoy friendships with people with a wide range of opinions and views, many very different to my own, and I feel all the more enriched by them.
And-again- not everyone is saddened by the death of a 96 year old taxpayer funded stranger.

Utterly impossible I would say. In ancient times the monarchy was born in blood and ruled in blood. Indeed the Church of England which the monarch heads up is the breakaway from the "King of Kings" the Pope who was really the Emperor of Europe. What we see now is centuries-old embellishment and refinement of that process.

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Well said.

Yes, I used to be like that when I was about 18.
She sounds ignorant. One day, she will realise that it is best to keep her mouth shut and let people think she is ignorant rather than opening her mouth and confirming it.
I have no brief for the monarchy but don't want to upset people who do and, of course, I am no longer 18.

I actually don’t mind one way or the other if the monarchy ends with Charles but if you think that this event is about ‘forelock tugging’ it demonstrates your lack of understanding.

totally agree

As above

I'm also offended by the amount of money being spent on the whole thing.

I hope the memories keep the population warm and fed this winter. The money that is suddenly available to be squandered would have gone a long way to help a lot of struggling families.

I wonder if you could get a pacifist as a Head of State?

Someone who refused to be associated with the military in any form...

Or even....an atheist?

I found myself idly wondering the other day, when trying to get used to “God save our gracious King…” what we would do with the National Anthem if a future monarch was non-binary.

I heard Andrew Marr on TV recently saying that constitutional monarchy needs to repeatedly make a case for its existence. He thought that this was King Charles' priority now - to make the case for monarchy. And he said that it's delicate and difficult. So I think this is what's playing out here and in the pub in OP description.

Yes, that's exactly what this is. What is happening now is a political process, with everything that goes along with one.

This is why it's so important that anti monarchist voices are heard, and that it is made clear again and again to people who think they have the right not to be exposed to them at this point that they don't.

The cost of her funeral seems to be around £10 million. ‘We’ have almost all the staff, the equipment and the venues anyway. The NHS budget is £190 billion. So it would fund the NHS for 27 seconds. Just to put it in context. I’ve seen the NHS in action far too often, and there are easier ways of saving 27 seconds than not having a state funeral. Even though I personally don’t see the point, I can see that it does matter…

I didn't say I was only friends with people who think like me. I said I couldn't be friends with the vile type of person like the OP's so-called friend. A ranty, far-left wokie.

Anyway, do you think the far-left wokies who are so derogatory (about anyone who does not have the same wokie and royal family hating views,) hang around with people who are right leaning, or centric and who like or don't mind the Royal family??? LOL don't make me laugh.

I am happy to be friends with left leaning, liberal people , (I am centric FWIW, not on either side,) but I have NO desire to engage with angry ranty toxic, far-left individuals who call anyone who doesn't think like them 'bigot' 'gammon' forelock tuggers' and 'racist' etc etc.

As for accusing me of potentially living in an echo chambers. PMSL, the far left wokies have bought up every echo chamber on the market, and are living in them with all the people like them.

Funnily enough, I never meet people like this in real life. If they ARE out there, they keep quiet for sure. They just save their toxic bile for online message forums. Keyboard warriors they are. They would NEVER speak to people in real life like they speak to them on here and twitter etc etc... Weird how these nasty toxic comments from the far left are only ever spoken on the internet. 😕

I didn't say I was only friends with people who think like me. Confused I said I couldn't be friends with the vile type of person like the OP's so-called friend. A ranty, far-left wokie

I am sure you could find something in common.

Do you like wine?

I would say it’s pretty much 50/50 anti/pro monarchy at the moment. My issue is with being told that ‘we are in mourning’ when the royals are completely irrelevant to me. I find the constant coverage in the media, funeral being shown on multiple channels ridiculous and out of touch with at least half of the nation. Of course it’s sad that an old woman has died, I have sympathy for the family but I didn’t know her so am not mourning. I am baffled by grown adults crying hysterically and queuing for hours to walk past a coffin. It’s batshit behaviour over a complete stranger who wouldn’t have given a shit about them.
As for describing the queen as a sweet wee granny so soon after the Andrew scandal! 🙄

Anyway, do you think the far-left wokies who are so derogatory (about anyone who does not have the same wokie and royal family hating views,) hang around with people who are right leaning, or centric and who like or don't mind the Royal family??? LOL don't make me laugh

Sometimes you have to keep your views to yourself if you have different views.

There is a time for politics. And a time to share in activities without discussing politics.

Speaking as left leaning, Republic, atheist wokie..

Crowds are cheering the Royal cars at a funeral. What is this?

People attempting to show the Royal Family their support?

Seems a bit odd, but understandable

Honestly I think it's inevitable given the way things have played out since the death. People aren't going to behave like they normally do at a death and funeral, because this is multiple other things too.

It's a political process, an attempt to shore up support for the monarchy and the system, and it's also an event. So as well as criticism and protest, there's also going to be people who want to vocally show their support and who are treating it as something to consume. It's just what happens when a mourning process is deliberately mixed in with multiple other things.

Nonsense.

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