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Tired of being scared of men

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NotLactoseFree · 16/09/2022 10:29

I'm not really being unreasonable, I know. But it's so frustrating.

From our local shopping centre, to return to the car park there is a pedestrian crossing that runs over the vehicular entrance to the car park. Lots of signs reminding cars to stop for the pedestrian crossing etc. I was half way across on my way back to my car today when two young men pulled into the car park and clearly felt they had right of way. They then aggressively pretended to drive into me while shouting that I should look where I'm going etc. Obviously they were just OBLIVIOUS to the pedestrian crossing. I wasn't in the mood so shouted back that it's a pedestrian crossing and if they can't see that they shouldn't be driving. They were aggressive, unpleasant etc and after I'd crossed, roared past swearing at me.

Fine. Annoying, but fine.

Then I suddenly had a complete moment of panic as I realised that if they wanted to, they could very easily just drive round and continue to harass me from inside the car park etc and of course, there's never a lot of people around. So I dashed to my car prepared to hide behind other cars if they chose to come in my direction rather than heading up the ramp to the next level.

I was in the right. They didn't see a pedestrian crossing, tried to scare me, then shouted at me - all before I did a thing. But I was the one who was suddenly terrified. it makes me so angry.

OP posts:
Bubblebubblebah · 16/09/2022 15:52

jeaux90 · 16/09/2022 15:35

98% of sexual assaults are committed by males. Statistics say it all.

Yeah but that doesn't mean we have to be scared of them all all the time.

lifelongaway · 16/09/2022 16:04

True, but it is not better for us to condemn / fight it together as a society, rather than divide society up into competing groups?

No its not. Because its a form of self-deceit. We have to be able to appropriate target well identified and defined audiences to device policy solutions to tackle unwanted behaviours. Such as the recent adverts encouraging young men to call out their mates who are harassing women. That campaign just can't work if it is sex-neutral. The problem it is addressing is sex specific.

broodybadger · 16/09/2022 16:16

jeaux90 · 16/09/2022 15:35

98% of sexual assaults are committed by males. Statistics say it all.

And?

Doesn't mean you have to continually be scared of men

Men attack and harm other men far more than women

You are at less of a risk alone at night with a random man than another male is

jeaux90 · 16/09/2022 16:33

@broodybadger but this isn't about male on male violence is it!

The whole point is about male entitlement and the fact that they commit the majority of crime against women.

Christ on a wafer thin biscuit. It's like the whole NAMALT that brigade, no of course they aren't but some are so it's the reason we take precautions and have single sex spaces and have safeguarding policies.

Pumperthepumper · 16/09/2022 16:55

I don’t think it’s a great comfort to think ‘men are statistically more likely to be attacked by other men’ when you’re being intimidated by a strange man.

CatsandFish · 16/09/2022 17:03

Badgirlriri · 16/09/2022 11:23

I don’t feel threatened like this at all. I think you need to build your confidence.
As someone quite rightly pointed out, men are at more risk of being assaulted/murdered. I fear for my male relatives more than myself.

@Badgirlriri Men are more at risk of being assaulted/murdered by OTHER MEN. Not by women.

It still proves that male violence is a problem, regardless of whether the victim is female or male. Males can defend themselves, women cannot. So no need to feel for males.

CatsandFish · 16/09/2022 17:15

broodybadger · 16/09/2022 12:02

Of course they would

The biggest victim group of male violence is other males

As a woman you are a statistically significant lower risk of harm when 1-1 with a man than another man would be

That is absolute rubbish. Women for example are the victim of rape and sexual assault by men and 98% of them are by men against women. Men are much less likely statistically to be a victim of violence or assault, sexual or otherwise.

broodybadger · 16/09/2022 17:57

@CatsandFish

Are sexual assaults the only thing people can be scared of?

Murder, assault, GBH are all male on male crimes predominantly

A man out walking alone has a far higher risk of being harmed than a lone woman

Those are facts

broodybadger · 16/09/2022 17:58

jeaux90 · 16/09/2022 16:33

@broodybadger but this isn't about male on male violence is it!

The whole point is about male entitlement and the fact that they commit the majority of crime against women.

Christ on a wafer thin biscuit. It's like the whole NAMALT that brigade, no of course they aren't but some are so it's the reason we take precautions and have single sex spaces and have safeguarding policies.

Of course it is

As people have since commented men have it easy

They don't need to be scared when out and about

That's not correct

Pumperthepumper · 16/09/2022 18:06

broodybadger · 16/09/2022 17:57

@CatsandFish

Are sexual assaults the only thing people can be scared of?

Murder, assault, GBH are all male on male crimes predominantly

A man out walking alone has a far higher risk of being harmed than a lone woman

Those are facts

I don’t think that’s relevant to a lone woman being intimidated by a strange man though.

broodybadger · 16/09/2022 18:10

@Pumperthepumper

It is when posters have moved the conversation on to how wonderful it is for men to have nothing to worry about

Ffs

SirVixofVixHall · 16/09/2022 18:12

whatisheupto · 16/09/2022 10:33

I hear you. I love to go walking in the woods, but every time I am looking over my shoulder. And wondering how long my luck will last. I always think how wonderful it must be to be a man and to be able to walk completely (mostly) fearless.

Same.
I would like to walk in the dark, in quiet places, as my DH does.

Pumperthepumper · 16/09/2022 18:15

broodybadger · 16/09/2022 18:10

@Pumperthepumper

It is when posters have moved the conversation on to how wonderful it is for men to have nothing to worry about

Ffs

Is it? How does that make any difference to the OP not being scared?

BoviTraci · 16/09/2022 18:15

whatisheupto · 16/09/2022 10:33

I hear you. I love to go walking in the woods, but every time I am looking over my shoulder. And wondering how long my luck will last. I always think how wonderful it must be to be a man and to be able to walk completely (mostly) fearless.

Yes . And if something did happen idiots blame the woman for being alone in the first place . No . We should be able to go where we want when we want . The fault is not ours .

CatsandFish · 16/09/2022 18:27

broodybadger · 16/09/2022 17:57

@CatsandFish

Are sexual assaults the only thing people can be scared of?

Murder, assault, GBH are all male on male crimes predominantly

A man out walking alone has a far higher risk of being harmed than a lone woman

Those are facts

@broodybadger *A man out walking alone has a far higher risk of being harmed than a lone woman

Those are facts*

Oh my goodness, you can't truly believe that! A woman out walking alone has a far, far, far greater risk of being harmed than a man walking alone.

That, is common sense and facts.

Artistique · 16/09/2022 18:31

I've taught all boys classes in schools and the way some of them have spoken to me and treated me is disgusting. If I were a 6ft5 muscly intimidating bloke I am 99% sure they would not have acted like that

Agrudge · 16/09/2022 18:36

SirVixofVixHall · 16/09/2022 18:12

Same.
I would like to walk in the dark, in quiet places, as my DH does.

You dont think he feels any fear or intimidation?

He might not say it or show it, but I'd bet he does

broodybadger · 16/09/2022 18:39

@CatsandFish

Unfortunately crime stats don't back up your, frankly strange opinion on this matter

SimonaRazowska · 16/09/2022 19:55

@Artistique most men are not 6ft5 and muscular either

Very few men are

Bubblebubblebah · 16/09/2022 20:02

SimonaRazowska · 16/09/2022 19:55

@Artistique most men are not 6ft5 and muscular either

Very few men are

Even in Netherlands the average height is 5.9....
Sorry, couldn't help random fact

TwinkleChristmas · 16/09/2022 20:06

Badgirlriri · 16/09/2022 11:23

I don’t feel threatened like this at all. I think you need to build your confidence.
As someone quite rightly pointed out, men are at more risk of being assaulted/murdered. I fear for my male relatives more than myself.

Iv never felt threatened like this either. I’m not scared of men and never have been.

Lunar270 · 16/09/2022 20:16

Dotjones · 16/09/2022 10:49

Try to remember that you're safer in public than you are at home with a male partner or relative. You're much more likely to be harmed by someone you know and trust than you are by a stranger.

I find it helps to try to see things for what they are once you strip the emotion out of it. What you experienced was a shit driver thinking it was funny to drive dangerously. It's not about YOU - you did nothing wrong.

Why is it that women feel threatened and men don't? Men are more likely to be assaulted than women, men are more likely to be murdered than women, yet they don't (seem to) worry about the threat. Maybe they feel more comfortable that they'll be able to defend themselves, but the stats show that that's often not the case.

Sorry but men are threatened. Perhaps not as much and we might not show it but we most certainly are. I'm not sure if women do this but men are constantly sizing other men up and assessing risk.

In the OP's situation I might have done the same but the outcome might have been a lot different. It's a game of chance and one I'm not that keen to play nowadays as I don't fancy getting my head kicked in.

Pumperthepumper · 16/09/2022 20:18

Lunar270 · 16/09/2022 20:16

Sorry but men are threatened. Perhaps not as much and we might not show it but we most certainly are. I'm not sure if women do this but men are constantly sizing other men up and assessing risk.

In the OP's situation I might have done the same but the outcome might have been a lot different. It's a game of chance and one I'm not that keen to play nowadays as I don't fancy getting my head kicked in.

You’re not sure if women risk assess the danger from strange, aggressive men?

CheesyTattie · 16/09/2022 20:25

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CatsandFish · 16/09/2022 20:57

broodybadger · 16/09/2022 18:39

@CatsandFish

Unfortunately crime stats don't back up your, frankly strange opinion on this matter

@broodybadger On the contrary! Crime stats back up what I say, they certainly don't back up your very bizarre narrative.

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