If you don't usually work Monday's and now there's an extra bank holiday...

[Dressme2023]

...would you be bothered?
I'm actually not, I'm getting to see the funeral which is the important bit to me.
However many colleagues have the same day off and are now pushing for an extra half day annual leave to make up for it.
It feels a bit unnecessary and grabby to me but I'm in the minority.
Thoughts?

You're being unreasonable - you should get extra leave granted
You're not being unreasonable - everyone should just accept it for what it is and move on

[christmas2022]

The people saying that it doesn't matter are likely the ones not affected by possibly missing out

[tinyflies]

Interesting. I work 3 days (not set days as such) but next week I am working 4, one of those being Monday. Im not sure if I'll have to go in because I work in food and we still
Get a chilled delivery which will have to be processed. Im not sure if manager will pick 2 or 3 out of the day to work or wether we will get the choice to work.

I don't mind either way. The extra money would have been nice but, can't be helped

[Ladyofthelake53]

@Princessglittery

You will get pro rata hours added to your leave allowance.

Thank you

[Aprilx]

Today was my first working day of the week. I firstly saw an email that everybody had been given an extra day off for Monday. I noticed that my leave balance hadn’t increased but I thought I will leave it for now to give them time to update the system.

I looked later and I had been given an extra day of leave, it technically should have been 0.6 representing my three days a week, but they seemingly decided to round up not down (only deal in half days).

So all good here.

[Saltovinegar]

@Princessglittery

This is actually fair (provided the calculations are right) although it feels unfair.

Standard working day 7.5 hours so 37.5 working week. You work 4 x 7.5 hours = 30 hours. A full timer gets 7.5 extra hours leave you are entitled to a pro rata entitlement of 7.5 x 30 /37.5 = 6 hours so 1.5 hours taken from leave allowance.

Princess has explained it perfectly.

I work 30 hours and I don't work Mondays. I have been given 6 hours for the Bank Holiday, on Good Fridays for example I have 7.5 hours taken off my leave so I have to use 1.5 hours annual leave. However not working Mondays and getting 6 hours extra annual leave per Monday BH outweighs the 1.5 AL I have to take on non BH Mondays.

[willithappen]

It's not about womens rights though is it. Come on now.

It's a bank holiday to watch a bloody funeral and pay respects. It's not meant as a day to swan off and do whatever you like. Those off on the bank holiday - what are you expecting they are going to get to do this lovely day? Everything's shut. Are they swanning off and having it as a holiday?
Those that apparently get it back even though they wouldn't have been working in the first place will then get to take that day and do a lot more with it than those forced fo be off on this Monday.

[GoTeamRocket]

It's a little bit about women's rights (legislation that says that part-time workers who are mainly women shouldn't be disadvantaged) and a lot about employment law and contractual law.

Good employers will.look at the way that the holiday provision is written into their contracts and then make decisions based on this.

www.personneltoday.com/hr/state-funeral-bank-holiday-queen-elizabeth-ii/

[Aprilx]

@willithappen

It's not about womens rights though is it. Come on now.

It's a bank holiday to watch a bloody funeral and pay respects. It's not meant as a day to swan off and do whatever you like. Those off on the bank holiday - what are you expecting they are going to get to do this lovely day? Everything's shut. Are they swanning off and having it as a holiday?
Those that apparently get it back even though they wouldn't have been working in the first place will then get to take that day and do a lot more with it than those forced fo be off on this Monday.

It has been given in honour of the Queen. But we are not in North Korea and can spend the day as we wish. By your logic, everybody should celebrate Christmas or Easter when we get bank holidays for those days.

[willithappen]

You can spend the day as you wish but you will still be at a disadvantage if you have the funeral day off rather than if you get a day added on to use whenever you wish.
Hard pressed to find anywhere that will be open
I'm sure many who have no interest in watching the funeral would rather have a day added to their leave than forced to take a day where they will be limited on what they can do with their 'holiday'

You are not at a disadvantage for not getting a day off for a day you wouldn't even work in the first place

[FlippertyGibberts]

Part-time workers only get paid part-time you know. I don't think this small benefit re bank holidays is worth getting upset about.

[TroysMammy]

@Princessglittery we both work the same amount of hours over 2 1/2 consecutive days and we get same holidays and supposed pro rata bank holidays however as my colleague works the first part of the week gets the bank holidays day off and paid. So this year I have had 3 days paid bank holidays as I work the end of the week but my colleague will get 4 days paid holiday more than me.

If something isn't done I will only get one paid bank holiday next year and my colleague will get 7 paid days off in addition to holiday entitlement.

[PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior]

@willithappen

It's not about womens rights though is it. Come on now.

It's a bank holiday to watch a bloody funeral and pay respects. It's not meant as a day to swan off and do whatever you like. Those off on the bank holiday - what are you expecting they are going to get to do this lovely day? Everything's shut. Are they swanning off and having it as a holiday?
Those that apparently get it back even though they wouldn't have been working in the first place will then get to take that day and do a lot more with it than those forced fo be off on this Monday.

No, it's just a bank holiday full stop. It isn't 'meant' for anything. Also, everything isn't shut.

[AlecTrevelyan006]

my wife doesn't work Mondays - she's back office for a niche, but fairly successful, retail chain.

Found out today that all shops and offices will be closed and no one allowed to work. Staff either have to take the day as unpaid leave, take a day from their annual leave or make up the time at a later date.

Nice.

[neighboursmustliveon]

I work in HR in education. One person has asked so we are talking about what to do.

As its education, its not so easy to give staff time off - especially not teachers. We had this for the jubilee. Our Trust designated a day before summer to break up early, but those staff who didn't work that day had to be given an alternative day. So that meant paying supply to cover teachers. We are facing the same again in theory.

This isn't a jolly day off. It is so we get to see the queens funeral if we wish too. Most things will be closed so those that are not watching the funeral won't be doing much. Yet staff who don't work a Monday will possibly be given a day to actually enjoy at another time which doesn't feel right.

[BurscoughBooths]

Most things will be closed so those that are not watching the funeral won't be doing much

I don’t understand this. There are so many things to do on a day off, it makes no difference if the shops are open or I can visit an attraction, I’m unlikely to do either.

I might go to the beach or for a walk in the woods. I could buy paint on Sunday and redecorate my living room. I could do some gardening, read a book, clear out the cupboard under the stairs. There are literally thousands of possible activities that anyone could do on Monday even though “everything “ will be closed

[PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior]

There are indeed, notwithstanding that everything won't. The weather forecast in most of the country looks to be nice, and even if it weren't people could go to each other's houses.

I have a lot of sympathy with people who are lumbered with the downsides of this bank holiday, which are significant, but it really isn't a holiday to watch the funeral and there will be lots of other things happening.

[tentontobias]

@AlecTrevelyan006

my wife doesn't work Mondays - she's back office for a niche, but fairly successful, retail chain.

Found out today that all shops and offices will be closed and no one allowed to work. Staff either have to take the day as unpaid leave, take a day from their annual leave or make up the time at a later date.

Nice.

That's rubbish but sadly legal.

[tentontobias]

@TroysMammy

@Princessglittery we both work the same amount of hours over 2 1/2 consecutive days and we get same holidays and supposed pro rata bank holidays however as my colleague works the first part of the week gets the bank holidays day off and paid. So this year I have had 3 days paid bank holidays as I work the end of the week but my colleague will get 4 days paid holiday more than me.

If something isn't done I will only get one paid bank holiday next year and my colleague will get 7 paid days off in addition to holiday entitlement.

That's not how it works though. Every time there is a bank holiday, your colleague will need to use the pro-rata'd hours added to her annual leave to cover that bank holiday. So she has the day off but it's taken off her holiday allowance. You don't need to take those hours then as you're not working anyway, but you should have exactly the same number of hours as her if you are working the same number of days / wte

[TheLassWiADelicateAir]

@willithappen

It's not about womens rights though is it. Come on now.

It's a bank holiday to watch a bloody funeral and pay respects. It's not meant as a day to swan off and do whatever you like. Those off on the bank holiday - what are you expecting they are going to get to do this lovely day? Everything's shut. Are they swanning off and having it as a holiday?
Those that apparently get it back even though they wouldn't have been working in the first place will then get to take that day and do a lot more with it than those forced fo be off on this Monday.

Shops, restaurants etc will be open in Scotland.

[willithappen]

@TheLassWiADelicateAir please tell me which ones? As I live in Scotland and all the stores near me are closing for the funeral. An exception being some reopening (supermarkets) at 5pm after the funeral.

And honestly comparing the day off because you can go for a walk or paint your house without things being open. Come on now it's reaching. There's a huge difference

And it's not just a regular bank holiday! 🤦🏼‍♀️ it is an additional one for this year because the queen has DIED. They didn't just pull a day out a paper bag and decide 'oh here let's give everyone an extra day off'

[Princessglittery]

@TroysMammy

@Princessglittery we both work the same amount of hours over 2 1/2 consecutive days and we get same holidays and supposed pro rata bank holidays however as my colleague works the first part of the week gets the bank holidays day off and paid. So this year I have had 3 days paid bank holidays as I work the end of the week but my colleague will get 4 days paid holiday more than me.

If something isn't done I will only get one paid bank holiday next year and my colleague will get 7 paid days off in addition to holiday entitlement.

From what you have said that’s not right.

Example
Employee A works Mon Tue & Wed AM = 18 hours 45 mins
Employ B works Wed PM, Thu & Fri
= 18 hours 45 Mins

Full time =

• 5 days
• 37.5 hours
• 20 days leave x 7.5 hours = 150 hours
• 8 BH x 7.5 hours = 60 hours
• Total gross leave = 210 hours.
• Less 60 hours for BH
• Total net leave = 150 hours

Employee A

• MTW(AM) 2.5 days
• 18.75 hours
• Leave 150 hours/37.5 x 18.75 = 75 hours
• BH 60 /37.5 x20 = 30 hours
• Gross leave = 105 hours
• less BH falling on a working day (NYD, Mon = 7.5, GF Fri = 0, EM Mon = 7.5, MD Mon = 7.5, SBH Mon = 7.5, ABH Mon = 7.5, CD Tue = 7.5 BD Wed = 3.75) = 48.75 hours
• Net leave 105 - 48.75 = 56.25 hours

Employee B

• W(PM), TF 2.5 days
• 18.75 hours
• Leave 150 hours/37.5 x 18.75 = 75 hours
• BH 60 /37.5 x20 = 30 hours
• Gross leave = 105 hours
• Less BH falling on a working day NYD, Mon = 0, GF Fri = 7.5, EM Mon = 0, MD Mon = 0, SBH Mon = 0, ABH Mon = 0, CD Tue = 0, BD Wed = 3.75) = 11.25
• Net leave 105 - 11.25 = 93.75 hours

BH

• NYD New Years Day
• GF Good Friday
• EM Easter Monday
• MD May Day
• SBH Spring BH
• ABH August BH
• CD Christmas Day
• BD Boxing Day

This year it would be different because of Jubilee weekend but I thought easier to do a more typical year. As NYD, CD & BD move each year the calculations need doing each year.

Its late but I hope this makes sense.

[Sinthie]

I don’t work Mondays but colleges who are also part time with a different day off will be working fewer hours that week. I fully expect to be reimbursed financially or given a day in lieu. I won’t be “mourning” or watching the funeral, but do expect parity with colleagues.

[knickersniff]

I don't work Mondays and I'd be embarrassed to ask for an extra day .

[PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior]

@willithappen

@TheLassWiADelicateAir please tell me which ones? As I live in Scotland and all the stores near me are closing for the funeral. An exception being some reopening (supermarkets) at 5pm after the funeral.

And honestly comparing the day off because you can go for a walk or paint your house without things being open. Come on now it's reaching. There's a huge difference

And it's not just a regular bank holiday! 🤦🏼‍♀️ it is an additional one for this year because the queen has DIED. They didn't just pull a day out a paper bag and decide 'oh here let's give everyone an extra day off'

It is a regular bank holiday. Legally there's no distinction whatsoever and the people saying it's a holiday to watch the funeral are just adding that themselves.

As for what's open, it's probably still more than on the Christmas Day bank holiday. It's less than the summer ones, but that still doesn't mean there isn't much to do if you aren't watching the funeral.