If you don't usually work Monday's and now there's an extra bank holiday...

[Dressme2023]

...would you be bothered?
I'm actually not, I'm getting to see the funeral which is the important bit to me.
However many colleagues have the same day off and are now pushing for an extra half day annual leave to make up for it.
It feels a bit unnecessary and grabby to me but I'm in the minority.
Thoughts?

You're being unreasonable - you should get extra leave granted
You're not being unreasonable - everyone should just accept it for what it is and move on

[Stompythedinosaur]

@Figgygal

They never should have called it a BH its confused things. Its a day off to mark the state funeral if you are off anyway you don't need the time off, if you don't care fine but business shut and you can't take time off other time.

This isn't right. It is a bank holiday and to be treated the same as other bank holiday according to the www.gov.uk.

www.gov.uk/government/news/bank-holiday-announced-for-her-majesty-queen-elizabeth-iis-state-funeral-on-monday-19-september

[Ladyofthelake53]

I'm NHS part time Monday is my day off my two colleagues it's their normal working day but will get BH enhanced pay, can anyone tell me what woukd happen in those circumstances please

[Beamur]

My working week doesn't include Monday. But my employer gives me the equivalent time as extra leave for all the bank holidays I miss. Very generous of them as it gives me an extra week and a bit off every year!
Saying that, I wouldn't complain if I wasn't offered the same for the Queen's funeral (although I suspect I will)

[montysma1]

@willithappen

Oh ffs, it's ONE day!

Check your work contract and see where you stand and move on with it. So much entitled to baffle. Some people aren't even getting to take it off work at all!

Why should people work ONE DAY for no salary?

[Aprilx]

@smileandsing

No one has 'lost' anything, they just haven't gained a holiday, or pro rata equivalent.
I work shifts in what, to use a pandemic term, is a front line key worker role. Bank hols are added to our annual leave entitlement because we have to work them if our shifts fall on those days. No mention of an 'extra' holiday being added for us (will be interesting to see if the office workers get the day off though).

And therefore they are lost out, by not gaining something like FT workers have.

This is absolutely no different than the company announcing a £500 bonus for all the FT workers but not the PT workers. The PT worker wouldn’t have “lost anything” then either because it was a bonus, but they have certainly lost out and been treated unfairly. The bank holiday is essentially that bonus.

[Princessglittery]

@MinnieMountain

I’m preparing to argue with HR today as they told me no time off in lieu. I’m owed a half day.
Not that it matters, but my employers choose my working days when I started with them.

@MinnieMountain double check full time staff are getting an extra day and not being made to take it from their existing allowance.

If they are getting an extra day refer to Working Time Directive, Prevention of less favourable treatment (part time) regulations and potential sex discrimination as most part time staff are female.

[Princessglittery]

@jacostajune

I don't understand this? How have you lost two hours?

This is actually fair (provided the calculations are right) although it feels unfair.

Standard working day 7.5 hours so 37.5 working week. You work 4 x 7.5 hours = 30 hours. A full timer gets 7.5 extra hours leave you are entitled to a pro rata entitlement of 7.5 x 30 /37.5 = 6 hours so 1.5 hours taken from leave allowance.

[Princessglittery]

@Syytt

Full time is 37.5

How do you pro rata that?

7.5 hours /37.5 x 20 = 4 hours.

[tuttifruit]

For a paid bank holiday part time staff should get the bank holiday in lieu if it falls on their day off. It's only fair as they are getting paid less for their time otherwise

[Princessglittery]

@Runnerduck34

I'm in same situation. Was a bit miffed funeral wasn't on Friday tbh!
However my employer has added a pro rota'd BH to my leave which is the statutory duty. Which I'm relieved about as it would be difficult to ask for it. However its a BH so legally everyone should get a day added to their BH entitlement even if they have to work it or its not their rota'd day.
I will watch the funeral but plenty of people won't and will use their extra day to do something else.

This is incorrect, legally you are entitled to 5.6 weeks leave. No differentiation is made between BH and annual leave, it’s all holiday.

Legally an employer can specify when you take your leave, most employers do this for BH.

As I previously stated an employer has two choices:

1. Give everyone an extra days leave, pro rata for part time staff
2. Tell everyone a day will be taken from their leave allowance if Monday is a working day.

[Lemons1571]

@Princessglittery

This is actually fair (provided the calculations are right) although it feels unfair.

Standard working day 7.5 hours so 37.5 working week. You work 4 x 7.5 hours = 30 hours. A full timer gets 7.5 extra hours leave you are entitled to a pro rata entitlement of 7.5 x 30 /37.5 = 6 hours so 1.5 hours taken from leave allowance.

I suppose it feels unfair, as it is forced annual leave on a day that I didn’t request annual leave. It takes 2 hours off my overall annual leave allowance that I wanted to use at a different time, for actual holidays and down time. It’s all very well saying that it’s only fair as “I’m not working and have been given the day off” but I now get less annual leave to use as actual holiday.

As this is a one off occasion I think the whole pro rata thing should’ve been overlooked.

I mean, what if protocol dictated that mourning should only take place on the next 10 Mondays? Would it be ok for my employer to immediately whip 20 hours (3 days) off my holiday allowance? Where does it end?

[Princessglittery]

@Thenightwemet16

I've just sent an email to my hr department (university) who had stated that those not contracted to work Mondays won't be entitled to the day off quoting the Part-time Workers (Prevention of less favourable treatment) regs 2000, which states that part-time employees are protected from being treated less favourably.

(Full time staff will be getting paid 100% salary for 80% hours that week, pt staff 100% salary for 100% hours.)

So surely they're breaking the law?

I have wondered whether I was being petty over what would be 4.5 hours for me, but part-time staff do often get less favourable treatment so it's more the principle for me.

@TBT @Thenightwemet16
is correct see my previous post where I quote relevant legislation.

@Thenightwemet16 I hope my post gives you additional info to present to HR. Disgraceful they don’t know the law on this.

[Tohaveandtohold]

It’s not grabby to want what you’re entitled to.
My employer is treating it like any other bank holiday, those who don’t work BH will have the day off and get paid, those who work on those days normally will get a day added to their annual leave entitlements to use whenever they want and also, they get the usual BH rate for working.
Those who are part time get paid a pro rata amount just as with all bank holidays. Also anyone who has booked that day off for annual leave will get it cancelled and paid.
I think that’s fair!

[Princessglittery]

@TroysMammy

I understand part timers shouldn't be discriminated against full time workers but what can you do if you are part time and treated unfairly with another part time worker who works exactly the same hours?

Can you give an example.

[Princessglittery]

@Ladyofthelake53

I'm NHS part time Monday is my day off my two colleagues it's their normal working day but will get BH enhanced pay, can anyone tell me what woukd happen in those circumstances please

You will get pro rata hours added to your leave allowance.

[Pootle40]

Does it really matter? I swear this is why stress and anxiety is so high in modern culture - so many people sweating the small stuff and we over analyse everything. Quibbling over a number of hours leave. Jeez.

[Princessglittery]

@Lemons1571 I know it can a
feel unfair to you but if they don’t do this it’s unfair to full time employed who’s would pro rata get less paid leave than you.

This is why many people recommend not having Mondays as a NWD.

[Princessglittery]

@Pootle40

Does it really matter? I swear this is why stress and anxiety is so high in modern culture - so many people sweating the small stuff and we over analyse everything. Quibbling over a number of hours leave. Jeez.

Yes it matters. The vast majority of part timers and flexible workers are women. Evidence suggests working part time impacts on career progression (pay) and pensions I.e. disproportionally impacts women.

Legally part times are entitled to a pro rata equivalent, if employers are willing to treat them less favourably over this where else will they treat them less favourably.

The legal rights for women have been hard won and we all need to ensure they are not undermined.

[OperaStation]

@Oblomov22

No it's not grabby. It needs to be equal and fair. If you work another day you should get an extra part entitlement.

Exactly this. Most places of work give their part time staff their fair share of bank holidays so that they’re not disadvantaged by their work pattern. I work 4 days per week so get 4/5th of the total number of bank holidays added to my annual leave entitlement. The bank holidays that fall on my working days are automatically deducted from my annual leave balance.

[Princessglittery]

@onlythreenow

You live in a country tat treats part time workers very badly then. Or maybe you are simply not aware of how things really work and just assume it is hard luck.

Don't be so ridiculous. Why on earth should someone get a holiday or be paid if a holiday falls on a day when they don't work? As for being in a country which treats workers badly - that's a laugh. Workers here have rights from the day they begin work, unlike in the UK. I am fully aware of how things work, thank you very much. People in the UK seem to be very entitled in my opinion.

You clearly don’t know UK law on this issue.

[OperaStation]

@Princessglittery

Yes it matters. The vast majority of part timers and flexible workers are women. Evidence suggests working part time impacts on career progression (pay) and pensions I.e. disproportionally impacts women.

Legally part times are entitled to a pro rata equivalent, if employers are willing to treat them less favourably over this where else will they treat them less favourably.

The legal rights for women have been hard won and we all need to ensure they are not undermined.

Too right @Princessglittery. Anyone who thinks their rights aren’t worth fighting for are just lazy.

[OperaStation]

@Pootle40

Does it really matter? I swear this is why stress and anxiety is so high in modern culture - so many people sweating the small stuff and we over analyse everything. Quibbling over a number of hours leave. Jeez.

It’s about workers and women’s rights. It’s not a small matter.

[SouthOfFrance]

Where I work if you usually don't work on Monday you are being given the time back (pro rata if part time). If you'd already booked holiday you will get the annual leave back.

I think that is a fair and reasonable way to treat employees and am surprised some people think people who don't work Mondays shouldn't ask for the same time as everyone else is getting.

[Thenightwemet16]

@Princessglittery

Yes it matters. The vast majority of part timers and flexible workers are women. Evidence suggests working part time impacts on career progression (pay) and pensions I.e. disproportionally impacts women.

Legally part times are entitled to a pro rata equivalent, if employers are willing to treat them less favourably over this where else will they treat them less favourably.

The legal rights for women have been hard won and we all need to ensure they are not undermined.

Yes, exactly this. Thank you.

[Thenightwemet16]

@Thenightwemet16

Yes, exactly this. Thank you.

And I have to say, I am really surprised by my employer. Usually on the ball with things like this!