If you don't usually work Monday's and now there's an extra bank holiday...

[Dressme2023]

...would you be bothered?
I'm actually not, I'm getting to see the funeral which is the important bit to me.
However many colleagues have the same day off and are now pushing for an extra half day annual leave to make up for it.
It feels a bit unnecessary and grabby to me but I'm in the minority.
Thoughts?

You're being unreasonable - you should get extra leave granted
You're not being unreasonable - everyone should just accept it for what it is and move on

[PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior]

@GoTeamRocket

There is no statutory right. But in some cases there is a contractual right to bank holidays.

It is a matter of people just reading their employment contracts.

It is indeed. The poster I was replying to appeared to think there being no statutory right to this particular bank holiday was proof that it differs from the others, whereas in fact that proves the exact opposite. None of them are days that people have the statutory right to take off, they couldn't possibly be. People just seem to have got the idea that this one is different from the rest, and it isn't in the slightest.

[PennyPinkPineapple]

I don't work on Mondays and hadn't really given it much thought until I saw this thread.

We received an email from our employer saying all offices and sites will be closed on Monday 19th September and all employees will be granted an extra day of paid leave. I emailed HR off the back of this and they've said that they will add the hours onto my allowance. Worth an ask...

[Princessglittery]

@willithappen

*"The point of this thread is that employers legally can't let those that usually work on Monday have paid leave but then not give the equivalent to those that don't work on Mondays."
*
Again that's not the case. The law on this is actually quite contradictory in places

My workplace is not giving those who don't work a Monday any extra day off for that. As it should be.

The law is very clear if full time employees are given additional leave part timers must get the pro rata equivalent.

[christmas2022]

@PennyPinkPineapple

I don't work on Mondays and hadn't really given it much thought until I saw this thread.

We received an email from our employer saying all offices and sites will be closed on Monday 19th September and all employees will be granted an extra day of paid leave. I emailed HR off the back of this and they've said that they will add the hours onto my allowance. Worth an ask...

Simple as this.

[willithappen]

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior

The only part that matters because it's the only bit that helps with your narrative? So we openly ignore the rest because you get to pick and choose what's read and taken into account?

[Cubangal]

Not Monday, but next month we have been given a paid day off as a well-being day. It's a day when I don't normally work and I won't get the well-being day. I asked if I could take it another day but no.

[PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior]

@willithappen

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior

The only part that matters because it's the only bit that helps with your narrative? So we openly ignore the rest because you get to pick and choose what's read and taken into account?

No, it's the only bit that matters because it's the bit where you state what the relevant law actually is.

It's a bank holiday and legally identical to the other bank holidays, which is why it cannot be treated differently. The rest is just people wrongly claiming that everything is shut and telling others what they should or shouldn't be doing, which doesn't actually affect anything.

[DdraigGoch]

At my employer the office hours staff have been given the day off, shift workers have been given an extra day's annual leave allowance whether they are actually working or not on that particular day. That way it's all fair and everyone gets the same amount of time off.

[jacostajune]

@willithappen

@PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior

The only part that matters because it's the only bit that helps with your narrative? So we openly ignore the rest because you get to pick and choose what's read and taken into account?

It's the law. Not just something that fits in with a "narrative". It's irrelevant that doesn't fit it with other people's "narrative" that the ONLY point of having the day off is to watch the funeral and mourn. The law doesn't care about that.

[PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior]

@jacostajune

It's the law. Not just something that fits in with a "narrative". It's irrelevant that doesn't fit it with other people's "narrative" that the ONLY point of having the day off is to watch the funeral and mourn. The law doesn't care about that.

Exactly. Honestly, I wonder what some people imagine would happen if an employer tried arguing in a tribunal that this isn't exactly the same as other bank holidays.

[willithappen]

Except it's not though is it when multiple large employers are not providing it as an extra day off

Why should someone who works less hours or different days get given this as an extra day to take whenever they fancy and is suitable to them and those working on the day are forced to take it now

Either way, it's a bank holiday for one day (won't be there next year) and for the sole purpose of the queens funeral. If you are arguing to try get a day off because you are already off on the funeral then you are in fact grabby.

[willithappen]

Also seem to be largely leaving out the fact that it's down to whether employers recognise the bank holidays in contracts

[christmas2022]

@willithappen

Except it's not though is it when multiple large employers are not providing it as an extra day off

Why should someone who works less hours or different days get given this as an extra day to take whenever they fancy and is suitable to them and those working on the day are forced to take it now

Either way, it's a bank holiday for one day (won't be there next year) and for the sole purpose of the queens funeral. If you are arguing to try get a day off because you are already off on the funeral then you are in fact grabby.

Completely disagree.

How is that fair on the people that end up with extra paid time off due to the bank holiday?

Fair and equitable treatment of all. Part time workers are not second class employees and should not be treated as such.

Grabby? Have a word with yourself.

[Princessglittery]

@willithappen

Also seem to be largely leaving out the fact that it's down to whether employers recognise the bank holidays in contracts

Correct

[christmas2022]

Clearly this discussion is only applicable to contracts where holiday plus bank holidays are recognised.

[Woodsparrow]

I'm the only one in my office who doesn't work a Monday. I wasn't expecting anything but my boss kindly offered to pay me for Monday next week sine everyone else would be paid for it and he wanted to be fair. I've taken his offer but not telling anyone else, while he sees it as fair te others in the office won't

[PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior]

@willithappen

Except it's not though is it when multiple large employers are not providing it as an extra day off

Why should someone who works less hours or different days get given this as an extra day to take whenever they fancy and is suitable to them and those working on the day are forced to take it now

Either way, it's a bank holiday for one day (won't be there next year) and for the sole purpose of the queens funeral. If you are arguing to try get a day off because you are already off on the funeral then you are in fact grabby.

Multiple large employers not providing it as a day off doesn't mean it isn't legally identical to other bank holidays. That doesn't prove what you think it does. It simply means that either those employers don't give bank holidays as a day off anyway. And the fact that this is largely down to whether employers recognise bank holidays in contracts is entirely the point.

I'm actually on sick leave myself at the moment, so in my case the point is moot, but you appear to have confused 'fact' with 'what you think'. By all means feel it's unfair, I think bank holidays are quite inequitable generally so of course a short notice one is going to be that, but again none of this changes the fundamental point that this bank holiday has the exact same legal status as all the others and so employers can either treat it in the same way or they can break the law.

[christmas2022]

@Woodsparrow

I'm the only one in my office who doesn't work a Monday. I wasn't expecting anything but my boss kindly offered to pay me for Monday next week sine everyone else would be paid for it and he wanted to be fair. I've taken his offer but not telling anyone else, while he sees it as fair te others in the office won't

No that isn't fair on the full time employees.

Pro rata payment would have been more fair.

[jacostajune]

@willithappen

Except it's not though is it when multiple large employers are not providing it as an extra day off

Why should someone who works less hours or different days get given this as an extra day to take whenever they fancy and is suitable to them and those working on the day are forced to take it now

Either way, it's a bank holiday for one day (won't be there next year) and for the sole purpose of the queens funeral. If you are arguing to try get a day off because you are already off on the funeral then you are in fact grabby.

Because it's the law

[jacostajune]

@willithappen

Also seem to be largely leaving out the fact that it's down to whether employers recognise the bank holidays in contracts

Again, if they do, then all staff have to be treated equitably. If they don't, they have to treat all staff equitably.

[Esmereldapawpatrol]

In our business (small company) if you don't usually work Mondays you get an extra day off in lieu for Monday as it's classed as a bank holiday. The standard practice is to get days that are bank holidays back if you don't work them as otherwise the fulltime members of staff are benefitting and the part timers aren't.

[jacostajune]

@Esmereldapawpatrol

In our business (small company) if you don't usually work Mondays you get an extra day off in lieu for Monday as it's classed as a bank holiday. The standard practice is to get days that are bank holidays back if you don't work them as otherwise the fulltime members of staff are benefitting and the part timers aren't.

All the reasonable people understand this, and it's the law. But there seem to be a lot of people on here who really don't understand that Monday has been declared a BH with the same legal status as all the other BHs and if you can't be at home watching the funeral and being sad then tough luck to you.

[Arbesque]

Many of the people getting Monday off won't be watching the funeral and will be treating it like a nice day off to sleep on, do family stuff or meet up with friends.

I can perfectly understand people who aren't paid on Mondays to feel a bit aggrieved and expect time off in lieu.

[PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior]

Many of the people getting Monday off won't be watching the funeral and will be treating it like a nice day off to sleep on, do family stuff or meet up with friends.

That'll be DH!

[Aprilx]

@willithappen

*"The point of this thread is that employers legally can't let those that usually work on Monday have paid leave but then not give the equivalent to those that don't work on Mondays."
*
Again that's not the case. The law on this is actually quite contradictory in places

My workplace is not giving those who don't work a Monday any extra day off for that. As it should be.

Nope that is how it shouldn’t be and if somebody challenged them in a tribunal, your employer would lose. Your employer is treating some workers less favourably if they are giving some an extra day of leave but not others.