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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To think they should sack her?

519 replies

Yellowdove · 13/09/2022 19:13

Colleague in work seems to lie a lot about her home/ family life that are easily proven to be untrue. However, she is really good at her job and has never lied about a work related issue (as far as we know). My point is how can we trust her if she lies about such pointless stuff in such a compulsive way?! HR seems to be saying as a it isn’t a work issue there’s nothing we can do. But how is it not a work issue?

OP posts:
ddl1 · 13/09/2022 21:52

Unless the lies are directly relevant to her work, this is no reason for sacking her. And your aunt should not be gossipping about her and her children - that is unprofessional.

Noonereallyinteresing · 13/09/2022 21:52

SueSaid · 13/09/2022 20:55

I think it's odd, it gives an insight into her ability to make stuff up for whatever reason.
I'd have to mention it in a faux innocent way 'oh I saw you leaving my aunt's house, she's a great cm isn't she?' and then see what she says. If that simple conversation destabilises her as you said you're worried about then better to support her sooner rather than later.

Just thinking this too.
OP and Aunt spoke so why not speak "naturally" and with the colleague too?

Liorae · 13/09/2022 21:52

Livelovebehappy · 13/09/2022 21:49

Where do you draw the line with this sort of thing? I know that a couple of people on my team do drugs in their private life. Their work is spot on, but you would have to question the morals of people taking drugs. But not once have I ever contemplated that I should try to get them sacked.

But not the morals of those who use the drugs caffeine and alcohol...

Itsnevertheend · 13/09/2022 21:53

Are you sure this work colleague and your aunt/childminder friend whatever aren’t trying to set YOU up as a bully and gossip .. I would be very careful . If HR knew the extent you were going to they will be dragging you in for bullying , harassment and potentially stalking

NeverDropYourMooncup · 13/09/2022 21:55

Yellowdove · 13/09/2022 19:29

Does no one really think it’s very strange behaviour? Would you honestly be happy with your very sensitive data being “looked after” by someone so out of touch with reality? Really? I don’t believe any of you tbh

I'd rather it was looked after by her than you and your auntie - she's not the one gossiping about personal information.

WhatIsThisMad · 13/09/2022 21:59

Tamworthian · 13/09/2022 20:28

Yes, I’d be concerned. Based on the responses here though, apparently you should 100% ignore it so you’re not a gossip, a bully, on glue or need to wind your neck in. 🤷‍♀️

But you don't know.all this OP. You are assuming based in what your aunt said. I doubt your aunt knows the ins and outs of this woman's life.

sjxoxo · 13/09/2022 22:01

Why don’t you just call her out on it and say ‘oh I thought you were married to Jeff wasn’t he introduced as your husband last week to blah blah’.
it is wierd but not really your business xx

Devon71 · 13/09/2022 22:03

Yellowdove · 13/09/2022 21:48

When did I say my Aunt isn’t concerned? 😂

So if your aunt is a good childminder AND a good friend, but has concerns about your colleague, what action has she taken?
As a friend, she could be in a good position to have a diplomatic, friendly heart-to-heart with her about her behaviour? Or even a discreet word with her partner (also a good friend). I'm guessing not, as then she'd have to reveal your relationship and what you have been discussing, eh?
Maybe as a professional, she has seen if there is any harm being done to the child(ren). If so, she'd have a responsibility to report her safeguarding concerns to social services or NSPCC.
So how concerned is she?

MovieQueen12 · 13/09/2022 22:04

Sometimes people lie to cover up insecurities or questions especially when they comes to their personal lives. I know I've lied in the past about having a partner because I felt I would be judged for being single. Not saying it's right but there's usually a reason behind why someone lies which may not be obvious.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 13/09/2022 22:04

Wow. What do you have against her and how have her 'lies' (in your opinion) affected you or her work?

Ohpaella · 13/09/2022 22:04

i feel like if I went to hr where I work and said ‘Jenny says she has a girl but really she has a boy’ I’d be the one in some kind of disciplinary! Are you her manager?

WhatIsThisMad · 13/09/2022 22:08

Did you know the HR lady was her friend when you told her OP? How did that feel? I would have found that conversation v difficult.

Is your aunt still friends with this colleague? I hope not or its v two faced. If they r no longer friends, has your aunt told this person why?

Have you approaches this colleague and asked them how come they have a girlfriend and a husband? Or r you being a bit two faced with her?

silverclock222 · 13/09/2022 22:13

Actually your childminder aunt is bound by the data protection act so she shouldn't be discussing anything with you. By the way you've gone on in this thread I reckon she's winding you up because you're so bloomin nosy!

OldFan · 13/09/2022 22:13

It seems like you've randomly got it in for her @Yellowdove .

GlitterSpark · 13/09/2022 22:15

At the end of the day OP, you think her behaviour is a sackable offence and UK Employment Law disagrees. You have raised it with HR and they have told you the facts. HR may well have discussed the issue with your colleague but you would not be given the details of that discussion because that, like your colleague's private life, is none of your business. You don't have to like your colleague. You don't have to be friends with her.

You admit she is good at her job: are you threatened by her performance? You say you are fiercely protective over your clients - maybe you should use some of that compassion towards your colleague. You have no idea why she is lying, yet you seem determined to vilify her to the point of trying to get her sacked from a job that you admit she does well! You could have just dropped your observations into conversation with her innocently, but instead you claim you were so uncomfortable and creeped out about it that you went behind her back to get her sacked instead. You chose to be a sneak rather than give her the benefit of the doubt.

It's strange that she makes things up, yes, but it doesn't give you the right to be so vindictive while claiming to have your clients' best interests at heart.

You have several choices:

  1. Ask her about her lies and watch her squirm so you can feel justified and self-righteous at outing her.
  1. Ignore the lies, be kind and courteous to her and accept that there may be many factors you're not aware of and she chooses not to share with you.
  1. Leave and take your spitefulness elsewhere.

To clarify - I'm not denying your colleague's behaviour is strange, or suggesting you have to like it. What I'm saying is, trying to get her sacked was nasty and sly, and trying to stir up support on an online forum after being told by your HR department that it doesn't affect her ability to do her job is beyond belief. Look at the numbers: 95% of the people on here think YABU. If you won't believe HR, believe the other 600+ people who voted.

Hesma · 13/09/2022 22:16

If I was her and you stirred and got me in trouble I would report your Aunt for breaking GDPR regulations as she should not be discussing her client with you

1994girl · 13/09/2022 22:18

Are you jealous of how good she is at her job? Because it sounds like it...

CallMeLinda · 13/09/2022 22:21

Liorae · 13/09/2022 21:52

But not the morals of those who use the drugs caffeine and alcohol...

Thats ridiculous and you know it.
There is a world of difference in the morality of drinking a cup of coffee and buying cocaine.
While I think alcohol use is horrible, and the social ramifications equally so, the illegal drugs trade is way, way more immoral.

RedHelenB · 13/09/2022 22:21

greenbubble · 13/09/2022 19:22

As a teen I told a few disgusting lies. My best friends mum at the time was best friends with a headteacher. She had obviously discussed me. Years later she ended up the HT at my dc school she judged me massively and made my life hell based on my stupidity as a teenager. It was totally unfair

in this case OP I think you need to take a step back

The boy who cried wolf is a cautionary tale.

Wisteriaroundthedoor · 13/09/2022 22:23

Op, is there a back story, do you have some personal issues that’s led to your obsession and Vindicativeness to this woman?

she’s not getting fired, she’s not caused any issue at work, she doesn’t lie at work, if in fact she’s not a divorcee now married to a woman with twin girls and a son, and is lying then it’s really none of your business.

honestly I think it best to focus on your pwn mental health.

saraclara · 13/09/2022 22:27

I'm not sure why people are using the word obsessed in relation to the OP. If I knew someone who told such huge and fundamental lies about her children and her partner, I'd be absolutely gobsmacked. And yes, I wouldn't be able to believe a word they said or trust them remotely in a secure working environment.

I'm pretty sure that in real life, 95% of people who've posted on this thread would feel the same.

saraclara · 13/09/2022 22:28

Hesma · 13/09/2022 22:16

If I was her and you stirred and got me in trouble I would report your Aunt for breaking GDPR regulations as she should not be discussing her client with you

GDPR isn't remotely relevant to this situation.

Good grief.

dworky · 13/09/2022 22:33

Very unreasonable. People tell silly lies because they feel inadequate & think they need 'extra' to be liked or thought interesting.
She's hurting no-one &, as you state, is good at her job. Give her a break.

saraclara · 13/09/2022 22:41

dworky · 13/09/2022 22:33

Very unreasonable. People tell silly lies because they feel inadequate & think they need 'extra' to be liked or thought interesting.
She's hurting no-one &, as you state, is good at her job. Give her a break.

She's a grown adult. She doesn't get to just be called 'silly' for telling such massive and fundamental lies. Silly is for six year olds telling fibs.

SnipSnipMrBurgess · 13/09/2022 22:41

A job you work in that relies heavily on tryst and handling sensitive data so much so that this person should not being doing their job, but only has one HR person.

Aye.