To tell you why the title ‘Prince of Wales’ is an historical insult to the Welsh and shouldn’t exist anymore

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I am Welsh. I was enraged yesterday when the new king decided to ‘bestow’ the title on Prince William, an English Prince without asking the Welsh if they wanted another English Prince of Wales.

here is some historical context from a petition going around at the moment:

The "Prince of Wales" title (Welsh: Tywysog Cymru) is a title historically used by native, Welsh princes since the 14th century. The last native Prince of Wales was Llywelyn the Last, killed by English soldiers in 1282 and his head was then paraded through the streets of London and placed on a Tower of London spike. Llywelyn's brother Dafydd was the first person of note to be hung, drawn and quartered and his head was placed next to Llywelyn's. Both their daughters were taken as infants and children and imprisoned.

But this happened centuries ago you might say. The truth is, that since the days of Llywelyn the Last and the "rebel" Prince of Wales, Owain Glyndwr, the title has been held exclusively by Englishmen as a symbol of dominance over Wales. To this day, the English "Princes of Wales" have no genuine connection to our country.

The title remains an insult to Wales and is a symbol of historical oppression. The title also implies that Wales is still a principality, undermining Wales' status as a nation and a country. In addition, the title has absolutely no constitutional role for Wales, which is now a devolved country with a national Parliament.

As Welsh actor, Michael Sheen put it;

"Make a break there. Put some things that have been the wrongs of the past right. There's an opportunity to do that at that point. Don't necessarily just because of habit and without thinking just carry on that tradition that was started as a humiliation to our country. Why not change that as we come to this moment where things will inevitably change."

I don’t think many people have any concept of Welsh history. I find it offensive and think now would have been a good moment to right a historical wrong.

You asked a question and think it's as simple as what you want. You haven't wanted to take in any of the posts, disagreeing with you. Your update, speaks for itself.

@Culldesack oh for gods sake. I have read the posts and am just saying what I still think. As I said, it’s been written about a LOT over the weekend in Wales and I am certainly not in the minority in my views.

Well you're in the minority on your own thread.

@Culldesack maybe- are you Welsh?

No. Was that a prerequisite responding to your thread, that you're Welsh?

@Culldesack no but I don’t think it gives you an understanding of how it makes Welsh people feel about this issue. In any situation like this, whether it’s Irish unity, Scottish independence or the Welsh feeling strongly about this issue, ultimately it’s often people from other countries shouting at us and telling us how we should feel and behave. This thread has a lot of that.

You may want to take a leaf out of Huw Edward's book.

@Culldesack is that the same Huw Edwards who went to one of the last Welsh Independence marches?

He may affiliate himself with devolution, but he's certainly got more class than to bitch about the new Prince of Wales, days after his grandmother had passed. He also respects the royals so I guess his idea of devolution is more political and less bitter.

I'm only here for the 'If you don't like it go and live in your darling Russia ' comments...

Well Russia is a republic…..just saying….we could end up with a British Putin, we would have if a warmonger like Enoch Powell could have ended up in charge.

Ah yes, once you have lost the principled argument against a republic, offer up a bogey man.

@Discovereads well France is a Republic too. Equating all of this with Russia is just absolute bollocks.

I have not lost any argument.

Interesting article via Huw Edwards tweet

Support at 30% mainly the young who moan about things and then don't vote sigh ...

'A Question asked to everyone in Wales- Do the people of Wales still want a Prince of Wales? Or something like that…

But that’s not how this hereditary monarchy bollocks works is it?!'

I was born in Gloucestershire - no one has ever asked me whether I want a Duke of Gloucester. But hey, I'm not sufficiently aerated to bang on about it to a bunch of strangers on the internet. Am I proud to be born in Gloucestershire? To be English? To be British? Why would I be? It's a random fact, not an achievement.

@everywoman682 maybe in Wales we see ourselves as a country in our own right. Maybe we aren’t so passive to just accept our fate. Maybe we are proud of our nation and our language and our culture. Maybe we want a say in who our princes are and believe in a democratic society that includes the choice and voices of its citizens.

@Stravaig yes I read that before when he shared it- very interesting.

Maybe some of us disagree with you. You do not speak for every Welsh person.

@HappyHappyHermit fair enough. But at least the people of wales could be given a chance to decide. Rather than others deciding for us. In the same way Wales votes to elect the Senedd every year.

Liz Truss used to be really good..

I still think that nationalism is a bad thing. we are all one people. I think this “we are Welsh” so do things better, are better have a better flag has emerged from doing something fun on St David’s Day or Rugby days and developed into “you must speak Welsh, go to university in Wales and always frame everything in Welsh pride. Totally different to the Thatcher years when we all left Wales to see the world before returning to Wales to hatch our dragon eggs.

The people of Wales are being totally screwed. Here in Scotland we don’t pay a penny for English infrastructure such as HS2, Crossrail and the Elizabeth Line We get that back in Barnett formula consequentials.